Sonic Is Startin To Piss Me Off.

[Aki Dazrold]

I really hate sonic. He's fast, but Marth is way better... then again Marth is THE cheapest character in SSBB... oh wait wrong hate topic.

Oh boy is this a crappy statement.

Ever play this game competitively? I have. Let me tell you, I only saw ONE guy playing Marth there. And he didn't win.

[Addictgamer]

Ugh. This topic is about the restuarant named Sonic and how it's recent service has pissed LZ off.

It is not about being fat, thin, in between, spam, or anything else.

If you guys want to flame each other and/or spam, too bad. You can't do that on RRU.

[Aki Dazrold]

Btw Any SSBB talk is officially welcome here now.

[Addictgamer]

Yay.

One of my friends plays with marth and kirby a lot, and he's good at them both.

Yes, he's beaten my friend, my sister, and I before. With Marth.

Keep in mind, my friend and I are no newbs at brawl.

So I wouldn't exactly say Marth is the worst.

As for Sonic...

Well, I hate his lack of powerful moves. And he could have at-least been faster.

Although I did play a lot with him a while back.

His jump is actually quite good, even though it lacks on the horizontal axis.

I have a feeling ssbb fans might turn this topic into an ssbb topic.

[RockmoddeR]

*Hijacks topic into SSB topic*

Go Falco.

[Addictgamer]

Oh boy.

Falco: I think he was better in ssbm than in ssbb.

He still packs a good punch though.

[RockmoddeR]

LANDMASTER!

Heck yes.

Also R.O.B. and Bowser. Bowser seems a bit OP though.

[Addictgamer]

R.O.B. : Awesome plot line. I've seen great references to it to.

As for attacks...I find the laser recharge time a bit too slow. The disk is fun to use on the pirate ship's catapults.

I love his up + b move. Down + a is equally cool.

Bowser: Character I'm best with in ssbb. 'Nuff said.

[Zjean]

He didn't say that Marth was the worst, just that he wasn't the cheapest. That is, apparently, Meta Knight, as he is the only character who is on the S rank tier. But then again, tiers are for queers.

[Sonic322]

As for Sonic...

Well, I hate his lack of powerful moves. And he could have at-least been faster.

Although I did play a lot with him a while back.

His jump is actually quite good, even though it lacks on the horizontal axis.

:RAGEFACE:

I have never played Brawl but I do believe Nintendo Did that on purpose as a way to show that any of their characters are better then Sonic. (Which is a total lie because Sonic could beat any of their characters in a flash.)

[Addictgamer]

:RAGEFACE:

I have never played Brawl but I do believe Nintendo Did that on purpose as a way to show that any of their characters are better then Sonic. (Which is a total lie because Sonic could beat any of their characters in a flash.)

Sonic is "one of their characters".

Blar, looks like Zjean found a mistake in my post.

[Amauros]

The "best" character is in the hands of the beholder. Here at college, I have plenty of competition with real gamers and when someone picks Marth, King DDD, Lucario, or Ike... then you know it's on. Otherwise, you have to keep your guard up anyways if anyone plays as any other character lol.

It's just the thing is, Marth is the cheapest character because his melee reflect (down + b) is quick and lasts a long time. He's also hard to knock out to the side because he can charge his regular b and the fly across the field back into game play. His range is in the top 4 and as long as you're just close enough, he can hit you with the tip of his sword causing maximum damage.

Ike is a slower and more powerful version of Marth and has a slightly greater range than him. His side + b is the only thing that can get past Marth's reflect (unless the guy using Marth has extremely great timing/luck). However, the tip of his sword doesn't cause max damage; he has to get up close and personal and hit his target with the middle of his sword for max damage. Of course his fully charged regular b is an instant KO, but chances of hitting a human player (who knows how to play) is slim to none. Ike's down + b is unfortunately a quite a bit slower than Marth's and doesn't last near as long.

King DDD is the other character with the highest range in the top 4 (not sure if it's greater than marth's or not). His side + a is THE most powerful in the game. Just play defense and time that right and you'll beat most characters easily.

Lucario also has a fairly long range with his attacks and sometimes outreach Marth. His side + a, side + b, down + a, as well as his midair-down+a can all outreach several of Marth's attacks (but not all). His down + b is a melee reflect just like Marth and Ike, but it takes a little while before it will actually work and doesn't last a long time; there's also a "cool down" time where the reflect doesn't work and Lucario still can't move (hasn't finished his little dance yet). The good news is though that his regular b attack increases in power the more damage that he takes.

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Other good characters to play as: Fox, Wolf, Falco, Ness, Lucas, Pokemon trainer, Pikachu, R.O.B., Snake, Zero Suit Samus, Diddy Kong, Donkey Kong, Olimar, Kirby, regular Samus, Zelda, Link, Captain Falcon, Peach, Wario, Mario, Luigi...

Ganondorf is the least recommended to play as because he's just so freaking slow. I mean he's exceptionally powerful, but you'll never land a good hit on another good player. -.-

[Sonic322]

:RAGEFACE:

I have never played Brawl but I do believe Nintendo Did that on purpose as a way to show that any of their characters are better then Sonic. (Which is a total lie because Sonic could beat any of their characters in a flash.)

Sonic is "one of their characters".

Sonic is a SEGA character.

Nintendo but him in Brawl for what ever reason and dumbed him down.

[Zephyria]

:RAGEFACE:

I have never played Brawl but I do believe Nintendo Did that on purpose as a way to show that any of their characters are better then Sonic. (Which is a total lie because Sonic could beat any of their characters in a flash.)

Sonic is "one of their characters".

Sonic is a SEGA character.

Nintendo but him in Brawl for what ever reason and dumbed him down.

FALSETTO!

Sonic could NOT OWN SOLID SNAKE!

@Amauros...All of lucarios "Aura-based" Moves (All of them, Basically) Get boosted the more damage he takes, not just "B"

[Amauros]

@Amauros...All of lucarios "Aura-based" Moves (All of them, Basically) Get boosted the more damage he takes, not just "B"

Well that might explain some things... I'll have to run a test on that because we've only noticed that his glowing ball of darkness gets larger and larger as he gains damage.

[Zephyria]

@Amauros...All of lucarios "Aura-based" Moves (All of them, Basically) Get boosted the more damage he takes, not just "B"

Well that might explain some things... I'll have to run a test on that because we've only noticed that his glowing ball of darkness gets larger and larger as he gains damage.

Aura Sphere is the main one, But I KO'd somebody using "Double team" (B + Down)

Lucario had about 200%

Enemy had about 50%

Aura Sphere is the only one to change Aestetically.

[Aki Dazrold]

Oh boy I need to correct some things here.

when someone picks Marth' date=' King DDD, Lucario, or Ike... [/quote']

That's funny. I don't recall seeing any of these characters used more than once in competition. In fact, I don't think I saw any Lucario used at all. I didn't see Ike either but I know for a fact someone *cough* led with him against Wario and got his rear end handed to him.

I'm not saying these are bad characters, not at all. I like all of them (except de-de) and use them occasionally when I'm not playing seriously. I'm only bringing this up because the characters you claim 'professional' gamers use when they are about to lay down the law aren't what I've seen actual honest to goodness professional gamers use. I saw a lot of Flakko, Snaake, Kongs, and Metha Knight with the occasional Toon Link and Wario.

I have never played Brawl ... Nintendo but him in Brawl for what ever reason and dumbed him down.

I find it funny how you claim Sonic is a dumbed-down character when you have no physical experience in game. I have a friend who leads with Sonic and he gives me a lot of trouble. Sonic is a really good character, but he don't get enough love yo.

Falco: I think he was better in ssbm than in ssbb.

He still packs a good punch though.

Lies.

Falco changed from being an absolute Fox clone to having a different moveset with only a few similarities. He's not worse, he's different.

[Shadow322]

1. Sonic is not a Nintendo character, and has never been a Nintendo character.

2. Sonic is a SEGA character, as well as its mascot. SEGA and Sonic Team own the rights to the character known as Sonic the Hedgehog, as well as any related characters, such as Tails, Knuckles, Amy and the many others that have been featured in the Sonic games.

3. SEGA no longer makes gaming consoles, their last one was the Dreamcast, other companys like Nintedo and Sony get the Sonic games made for their consoles.

I kinda wish SEGA would give another crack at the console thing, just one last try, but for the time being, they will be asking other companys to sell their products.

That makes sence, right?

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EDIT: Also, Sonics speed has been dumbed down after the swich from his 2D games to his 3D games, but it looks like Sonic Colors might have a pretty good amount of speed in it.

I mean, come on, he can run at the speed a fricken sound, if he had that in Brawl, you can't tell me he wouldn't have been a tough compediter.

[Zjean]

Ummmm..... I led with Fox, not Ike. Get it right.

And the characters pro gamers use are ordered pretty much here:

Also, I really wish I wasn't in Chemistry right now, cause I keep trying to spell led L-E-A-D.

[RockmoddeR]

My story with SSBB: Choose random. Play with whoever I get. Kick butt. End.

[Aki Dazrold]

Oh snap. I just remembered that I actually saw plenty of de-de at that comp. DERP.

I'm just so biased against that character that I don't notice when he doesn't fail.

Ah, okay. You led with fox. Whateva.

Oh another point I forgot to address about Marth's counter being cheap:

Familiarize yourself with a technique called chaingrabbing. Counter makes no trouble against this.

[Amauros]

Well yeah the grab also works well, but that only works if Marth is expecting you to to dash+a/b. It's much easier for Marth to just time attacks and dodge yours.

Something else you can do is use Pikachu to throw someone upwards and then immediately use down+b to send them the rest of the way into the sky.

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Anyways, in reference to Zjean's graph, Meta Knight, Mr. Game and Watch, Olimar, Jiggly Puff, Ganondorf, and Yoshi are the least seen characters on my floor (31 guys who love to play this game). There's also too wide a range between the top used and least used characters in that graph.

[Cirevam]

I'll stick to SSB64 where everyone is equally overpowered and the maps are mostly fair. Oh yeah, and there's no stupid random mechanics like tripping.

Also, guess what 322 brothers? No one except hardcore fanboys cares if Sonic is a SEGA character anymore. That only mattered during the Console Wars, which SEGA lost.

[Aki Dazrold]

There's also too wide a range between the top used and least used characters in that graph.

I am desperately trying to figure out how this reinforces anything you've said.

Well yeah the grab also works well, but that only works if Marth is expecting you to to dash+a/b. It's much easier for Marth to just time attacks and dodge yours.

I'm also trying to figure out what the heck this even means.

Something else you can do is use Pikachu to throw someone upwards and then immediately use down+b to send them the rest of the way into the sky.

I have only seen this work against novice players. Even then they don't let it happen much after getting whacked with it the first time.

Edit: Or, upon reflection, if their percentage is too high to move or air dodge. But this isn't as efficient as just smacking them with a smash attack; unless, of course, they are a shield/counter spammer.

And even then the grab alone might be enough to kill them.

This combo also depends on what stage you're playing. Remember that this attack has an effective range. If the grab sends them too high, the thunderbolt will miss.

[Amauros]

True, 64 definitely is the best SSB. The only character that is underpowered is jiggly puff (unless you're really good at hitting with down + b). The only problem I have with the 64 is that going back to those old school controllers just feels awkward on the hands.