aLPHA Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 I have been getting very much in depth to this stuff. According to my astrophysicist teacher, time is not to be the 4th dimension. Time is merely a measure of light. I.E, light travels in a forward direction, giving it qualities of length, width, and depth. If time is thought of as movement, then movement can be thought of as time. So time and movement are the same thing. This theory can be shown by the strange effect of traveling at the speed of light. Because time=movement (I'll refer to this as T=C), the closer something gets to this speed, the faster time travels for it. Essentially, an object moving at light speed will travel forward in time. If I jumped into a ship that could travel at the speed of light, I would start orbiting earth. Before I left Earth's orbit, I would set my computer to the desired date to travel to. My ship would calculate the time at which I would have to travel at light speed, and divide it by two. My ship would then begin traveling at light speed, and travel forwards in time. Once it reached half-way point, it would turn around 180o and travel at light speed back to earth for the remaining time. As soon as I reach earth, I will be in the future. This theory was developed by Albert Einstein. My theory, that plays along with this, will show how to travel back in time. I am in future earth's orbit, and I discover that during the year 2300, the world will go into a nuclear war. To prevent this, I enter the date I desire to travel back to, and leave earth's orbit. As soon as I'm out of orbit, I enter negative reality, which is pretty much a dimension beneath ours. In order to get here, I would have to first devise a way...ANYWAYS I would travel in this negative dimension, where all movements are considered negative. Our dimension has negative movement, yes, but our negative movement is in truth, only the movement away from a point in space, making it positive movement. In negative reality, in negative space, with negative movement, at negative light speed. Because T=C, Time for me, would also become negative. Because the matter of me and my ship are positive, we will not be affected, but because whatever the 4th dimension is that we are made of, we will only travel back to a point in the negative universe that correlates to a point in the positive dimension. There, I would leave negative dimension, and be back in positive dimension, in my own time! I would then re-enter, and warn everyone of the coming war. In this way, I can help with global peace. There is my theory, now please criticize me in a positive manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aki Dazrold Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 Be careful of making an unstable time loop. If you travel back in time to prevent something from happening and you succeed, you would have had no reason to travel back in time in the first place. But if you never travelled back, then... etc etc. Wrap your mind around that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aLPHA Posted December 5, 2010 Author Share Posted December 5, 2010 This theory totally ignores the fact of altering time, because time travel itself it taking place in an area where time cannot effect it. Remember, T=C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cirevam Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 If you go to the Minus Zone, go back in time, then reenter the positive zone, you've altered time by introducing new matter into the universe. Going forward in time works because whatever is time-traveling is just slowing to a halt while the universe around it continues to go on, like a cryochamber or something similar. Going backwards in time takes matter out of one time stream and puts it into another. As soon as you leave our universe for the Minus World, your matter is gone. If you come back in a future time relative to when you left, no harm done (maybe). If you go back to some previous time, well, I hope you've brought some paper, because we're about to rewrite some history. Good luck finding that Minus Zone, by the way. Your theory is bunk without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ftgsarge Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 Hmm... if it's not time then what is the fourth dimension? Also don't forget timespace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoctor Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 pingaspingastimepingaspingasohlookatmeimsmartbecauseiwatchedthesciencechannelpingas That's what I read. Mostly because I don't care. The rest of it is just because this is pure theory on something that you don't have the ability to test in the LEAST. You think you know what you're talking about but outside of your little head you don't. There are so many unaccounted varibles and possible side effects of moving faster than light and so much other crap none of us even know about that all of ^^^^^ that is complete sillyness. No one can know what would happen. You can come up with a simplistic theories and things like the 'light is a bullet move faster than the bullet and you get there before blahblahblah' but nothing is comprehensive or even close to correct. Why do you think there are so many time paradox though problems? Perhaps because no one knows what will happen? MAYBE. Oh, let's not forget your plans to help with world peace and then completely bork up time or get stranded from your universe/timestream/whatever you want to call it. CHEW ON THIS: You claim that time is nonlinear, which I do not dissagree with. You also claim to want to go back in time to warn people of a comming war. There is one problem, you could warn them of a war, but time being nonlinear means that you would warn them of a war that is still going to happen. Nonliner time means that time travel is accounted for, and that time hasn't changed from you traveling. In fact, you are supposed to travel through time, because it's going to happen. You would warn them of a war that's going to happen no matter what. Dont anyone think you can just try to trick time by defying it. Say you have a time machine, and want to try to beat time. You will go back to just before you go back in time and say something to yourself. You think, if I show up, then I won't go back in time to do that. If I don't show up, then I will go back in time. THIS WONT WORK. If you don't go back in time, you won't show up, obviously. If you show up, then at some point you WILL go back in time. If not, then you're not going back in time. Simple. Edit: regarding the title, this is known to me already. Regarding "timespace", timespace is just a generalization of time and space together as one object to make physics things work. Hmm... if it's not time then what is the fourth dimension? Square a cube and you have the fourth dimension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonic322 Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 Don't anyone think you can just try to trick time by defying it. Say you have a time machine, and want to try to beat time. You will go back to just before you go back in time and say something to yourself. You think, if I show up, then I won't go back in time to do that. If I don't show up, then I will go back in time. THIS WONT WORK. If you don't go back in time, you won't show up, obviously. If you show up, then at some point you WILL go back in time. If not, then you're not going back in time. Simple. This is the part I didn't understand. Do you mean if I went back in time to stop myself from destroying something then I would have to go back in time anyways to stop my self from destroying that thing to keep time in order? If not then please reword what you wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imperial officer Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 As LordZakida said, you might contain an unstable loop. The only thing I agree on is that time is not the 4th dimension. I think that space time is the 3rd dimension (space) + the special dimension (time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonic322 Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 As LordZakida said, you might contain an unstable loop. The only thing I agree on is that time is not the 4th dimension. I think that space time is the 3rd dimension (space) + the special dimension (time). Height, width, length, ??? Time almost seems like its in a category of its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imperial officer Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 As LordZakida said, you might contain an unstable loop. The only thing I agree on is that time is not the 4th dimension. I think that space time is the 3rd dimension (space) + the special dimension (time). Height, width, length, ??? Time almost seems like its in a category of its own. That is why I call it the special dimension. If indeed it is a dimension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cirevam Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 All we really know about time is that it is affected by velocity. This has been proven with atomic clocks, an airplane, and precise measurement tools. I've seen plenty of theoretical and fictional instances where something traveling near c will be compressed along their axis of motion. Does this mean that actually happens? I do not know. If it does, then I think time is more of a special dimension like you're saying, imperial. Instead of having its own properties, it changes the properties of existing dimensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aLPHA Posted December 5, 2010 Author Share Posted December 5, 2010 TheDoctor doesn't understand the way theories work... I do watch the Science Channel, but I got most of the ideas for this theory from this book I read about the relation of math and the universe. Now that I think about it, this theory has a few flaws. As LZ put it, an infinite loop may occur. Let me think about this today, and tonight I'll post my findings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JrMasterModelBuilder Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 As LordZakida said, you might contain an unstable loop. The only thing I agree on is that time is not the 4th dimension. I think that space time is the 3rd dimension (space) + the special dimension (time). Height, width, length, ??? Time almost seems like its in a category of its own. That is why I call it the special dimension. If indeed it is a dimension. Since we don't live in a 4D world, I don't think we would really know what the 4th dimension is. But supposedly it's 3 dimensional shadow (or something) would look something like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoctor Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 Ugh. People don't watch enough Doctor Who. If you were a camera, watching someone who will travel back in time to try to fix something, this is what would happen. Linear time: Something bad happens. Guy wants to go back in time and fix it. Guy goes back in time and does something and causes a time paradox. WHAT YOU WOULD SEE isthat the guy doesn't show up the first time around, and that going back in time changes the timeline, line denoting linear time. Nonlinear time: Something bad happens. Guy wants to go back in time to fix it. Guy goes back in time and OMFG something different happens. You, watching from above, see the guy who will go back in time RIGHT THERE before he goes back in time. He's there because nonlinear time means that you don't have to do something before things change. All travels are integrated into time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWNZOR Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 This is what the fourth dimension is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoctor Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 This is what the fourth dimension is. No, this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWNZOR Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 This is what the fourth dimension is. No, this is. It's the same thing....he moved across different 3-dimentional spaces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoctor Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 This is what the fourth dimension is. No, this is. It's the same thing....he moved across different 3-dimentional spaces. Yeah, but what I posted is an actual game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWNZOR Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 This is what the fourth dimension is. No, this is. It's the same thing....he moved across different 3-dimentional spaces. Yeah, but what I posted is an actual game. A game versus an explanation, when the theory behind both is the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockmoddeR Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 The theory of positive time travel seems plausible, but you have one problem with negative time travel: Negative space doesn't exist. Because Velocity is a scalar, it will always go in a direction. It doesn't go backwards, it merely turns around and goes the other way. All space is merely positive travel area away from the origin, which is your current location. There is no negative space, therefore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWNZOR Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 The theory of positive time travel seems plausible, but you have one problem with negative time travel: Negative space doesn't exist. Because Velocity is a scalar, it will always go in a direction. It doesn't go backwards, it merely turns around and goes the other way. All space is merely positive travel area away from the origin, which is your current location. There is no negative space, therefore. Velocity is a vector; it can go backwards in respect to its direction. Speed is a scalar. Space (distance) is a scalar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aLPHA Posted December 5, 2010 Author Share Posted December 5, 2010 The theory of positive time travel seems plausible, but you have one problem with negative time travel: Negative space doesn't exist. Because Velocity is a scalar, it will always go in a direction. It doesn't go backwards, it merely turns around and goes the other way. All space is merely positive travel area away from the origin, which is your current location. There is no negative space, therefore. How do you know negative reality doesn't exist ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoctor Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 The theory of positive time travel seems plausible, but you have one problem with negative time travel: Negative space doesn't exist. Because Velocity is a scalar, it will always go in a direction. It doesn't go backwards, it merely turns around and goes the other way. All space is merely positive travel area away from the origin, which is your current location. There is no negative space, therefore. How do you know negative reality doesn't exist How do you know it does? People forget what happens if you manage to beat light to a certain place. *throws work into convo* TESSERACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonic322 Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 This is what the fourth dimension is. No, this is. It's the same thing....he moved across different 3-dimensional spaces. Yeah, but what I posted is an actual game. A game versus an explanation, when the theory behind both is the same. A little late but: 4D craft Actually, if you look at the quote boxes here then you could look at them as the dimension of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aLPHA Posted December 6, 2010 Author Share Posted December 6, 2010 Why are we talking about games now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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