Lair Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 http://demandprogress.org/ http://act.demandprogress.org/letter/ten_strikes?akid=700.450896.5hVZPC&rd=1&t=1 It sounds pretty stupid at first, but when you look at it carefully it's even more retarded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonic322 Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Everyone link this video to all your friends on Facebook, Twitter, etc. It is important that everyone knows about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepandshepherd Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Dunno, it just seems to me Congress doesn't have a clue how much this will cripple the internet. Heck, as vague as that bill is, half the people on this site will go to jail for posting/watching youtube videos of simple Rock Raiders mods ingame. Or something along those lines . . . maybe our representatives are just way too old to understand. What do you guys think, are they really that clueless to what our generation uses the internet for? My parents don't have a clue about youtube, and most of these people are even older . . . http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s978/money yeah . . . some pretty big names on the "bribery list" for this one. As absurd as the bill is, looking at this worries me, considering that even a small influence from that much money will easily get it passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lol username Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Somebody call Anonymous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexpanter Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Jail in my country = free hotel Yay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cirevam Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Sing karaoke on Youtube <Advice Dog> Get 5 years and a felony I hate government sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aLPHA Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 So if I post a rock raiders video on youtube then how will they know where I live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepandshepherd Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Track your IP, maybe? I'm sure the government has their ways, especially if they can just blackmail order youtube to hand over your personal information. I just hope we don't go down the same road China is on . . . government control on the internet really sucks. (I mean, seriously, I've had at least three different sites I normally visit blocked in just the few weeks I've been in Germany, and Germany's minor censorship issues aren't half as bad as what this law might lead to . . . ) I wonder though, how much will this affect people outside the United States? Not sure if sites like Youtube have to follow US laws for people who post from other countries. I guess the law is against "streaming" specifically, so it might not matter at all for other countries . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aLPHA Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 This means no more you tube poops or putting up your Gmod creation or showing off stuff in minecraft or making a walkthrough for a game or or or...it takes away what the internet means to me. If this bill passes (which it will) I will abandon the internet and surf the waves (radio waves that is) of the air on my HAM radio I will build in the time I used to spend lazily wasting my life on the internet. Hey...I could probably create an 8-bit communications protocol and create my own interwebz that's hosted over the air. Hmm... Another option is to move to a different country...but I don't have any money to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McJobless Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 It won't cripple us Australians. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WE A GOIN' ALL THEY WAY TO SYDNEY CITY TO CELEBRATE! Now, who has the champagne? EDIT: I still went ahead, got on the old mailing list and sent the link to all of my 200+ Facebook friends. Australia's got your back, America...sortta... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addictgamer Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 This means no more you tube poops or putting up your Gmod creation or showing off stuff in minecraft or making a walkthrough for a game or or or...it takes away what the internet means to me. Have you ever heard of permission? Notch specifically stated in his blog that if the bill passes, he will adjust the ToS to allow users to make LPs and whatnot. Also, Frost industry fatcats. I'mma grab the people's awesome dogs and let them loose on the tail of these fat cats. Er, I want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aLPHA Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I'mma grab the people's awesome dogs and let them loose on the tail of these fat cats. Lol my family has a REALLY fat cat and the dogs chase it some times...getting off topic. So what companies would want it to be illegal to post that stuff? Maybe if the bill was to add an optional policy to some companies so that they can choose for it to be illegal or not. Hmm...that made no sense right there but I honestly could care less about my grammar this late at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow322 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Whats makes the U.S government think they control the internet, its a world wide system, nobody can own or control it. Putting this bill in to order is like taxing sunlight and air, its completely idiotic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antillies Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 So what companies would want it to be illegal to post that stuff? Maybe if the bill was to add an optional policy to some companies so that they can choose for it to be illegal or not. Hmm...that made no sense right there but I honestly could care less about my grammar this late at night. If any, it's probably the copyright holders in the TV and film industries. While I'm sure it's debatable, their position would be that they're losing money when people watch TV episodes and/or movies online without paying. I'm not exactly sure why the drafters of the bill sought to include video game footage because 1) uploading a video of gameplay isn't costing the game companies in that whether the viewer has purchased the game or not is not relevant to viewing the video (i.e. watching a video of a game run through is hardly the equivalent of actually playing the game and can be done in addition to having bought the game) and 2) videos containing video game footage spread awareness of the game itself, essentially acting as free advertising, and thus boost sales. It's a win-win for game companies because then they don't have to spend as much to advertise the game as they would if the only knowledge of a particular game's existence came from the company itself. I'm also not sure why the bill seeks to tell companies how to manage copyright infringement. For Minecraft, Notch has already said that he intends to modify the Terms of Service to allow for videos of Minecraft to be posted but the bill does not seem to prescribe that the companies whose copyright has supposedly been infringed upon be contacted and their desires heard. So I'm not sure whether an "optional policy", unless expressly added to the bill, would carry any water if executed internally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lair Posted July 3, 2011 Author Share Posted July 3, 2011 If it just refers to TV shows and movies and albumized music, I don't mind so much (there are some TV shows I need to see first though). If it's about Video Game footage and video game music, I'm going to [Please talk Properly] everything in the world to heck. 100% of the music I listen to is from video games, I upload video game music, and everything on my channel is about video games. It had better not include ANYTHING about ANYTHING even closley related to video games. OH WAIT IT IS DUR DUR DUR These congressmen make Silver the Hedgehog look brilliant. wtf am i saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addictgamer Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Heh. You know, companies have the ability to say something along the lines of, "No works containing any of our content allowed" to achieve the effect of this bill. The only reason this bill is being made is to further stupidity and retardation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lair Posted July 3, 2011 Author Share Posted July 3, 2011 This is being made to further stupidity and retardation. This sums up so many things in the world I can't begin to thank you enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow322 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 If the bill is passed, then we can just burn down the congress building, we have the right to bare arms. Thank you founding fathers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lair Posted July 3, 2011 Author Share Posted July 3, 2011 right to bare arms. YOU'RE WINNER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aLPHA Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 If I go in jail because I post a video of a RR glitch, I'm going to get a lawyer and take on this bill! I'd say something like: I did nothing wrong. I confess that I did make and upload that video but you have no right to arrest me for uploading footage of a video game glitch to a sharing site. The internet belongs to everyone and anyone. The ones that are doing the illegal thing are YOUR MONKIES IN THE CONGRESS BUILDING THAT PASSED THIS BILL! YOU KNOW, ARRESTING A 14 YEAR OLD WILL BE ON THE NEWS EVERYWHERE! THIS BILL IS GONNA GO TO HECK MAN! IT'S GONNA BURN! SMELL THAT PAPER BURNING *snif sniff sniff* IT SMELLS GOOOOD! YOU KNOW BRO, IF YOU ARREST ME, YOU'RE MAKING AMERICAN INTO AN EVEN MORE COMMUNIST COUNTRY!!! *tazered* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepandshepherd Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Stupidity and retardation is right, even if I were on the other side of the argument. I can't believe, after the obvious failure of Prohibition, that governments are still trying to do this. The direct effect will be, people will get jailed for streaming off the internet. The indirect effect is the people who want copyrighted material will find a thousand new ways to get that copyrighted material, and the 'problem' (if you wanna call it that) will get worse. Either way, the right to bear arms is probably the next thing on the list for Congress when they realize how many people they've p***ed off lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antillies Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I can't believe, after the obvious failure of Prohibition, that governments are still trying to do this. I understand what you're getting at, but I think the analogy is perhaps not the most apt. I would imagine the precentage of people who drank in the 1920's far outnumbers those who today upload and/or stream videos, meaning that the social and cultural consquences of Prohibition were far greater. But , if the bill passes, I guess it remains to be seen what effects it will have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepandshepherd Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Yeah, that's true. I guess it just seems bigger, seeing how much we use sites like Youtube these days. I'm just assuming illegal streaming would shift more to the underground where it's even harder for the government to control, kinda like alcohol did after prohibition. But who knows. Anyway, I've heard the law only applies to groups who earn money off the copyrighted content they stream publicly display . . . not sure if the hype is all that reasonable if that's actually the case. Anybody know where we can actually read the bill in its unbiased, original form? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antillies Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Here's the text of bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addictgamer Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 "An invalid bill ID was specified in the URL." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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