Tauka Usanake Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 I think the problem with Minecraft is that everyone is too pro now. I mean, you are supposed to be introduced into a brand new world and have nothing but basic survival skills and something else that I can't think of. People dig straight down and others (theDoctorWhom) look for unloaded chunks to find the diamond ore and therefore take out the exploration factor of the game. Mods further ruin this feeling when joining a server by making it possible to do things that would take otherwise days in minutes at best. Some I will say add in more nicer things and features but admin mods are what really kill this. I guess it wouldn't be bad if there was like a single admin that acted like the god of the Minecraft world, people would have to please him like in an RPG or something but otherwise in a world where you can get anything just by asking is boring. It can be argued against this that the mods and pro playing are making better use of the players gaming experience, but that does not go well with sandbox/adventure games. It's to be a group activity where a diluted anarchic-sociology might just work out properly. It's supposed to be a world simulator at best where everyone becomes who they want to be and do what they want. That's how I see it as at least. Arguements against this are more than welcomed. It's not debating if there's just one person. Throw all your ideas out here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexpanter Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 I don't play minecraft xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoctor Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 For the record, those kinds of unloaded chunks don't seem to happen anymore. Now the chunks aren't rendered at all and dissapear when you get near them. I also didn't actively seek them. If I saw one and noticed some diamond, I wouldn't just leave it down there, all alone, waiting to be dug up. Also stop complaining. 1.8 will ease this a bit, but not for long. Edit: Oh wait I have more to say. Mods are made to make things possible. If you want to build an adventure map, a massive amazing complicated map, do you really want to do it all by hand? The way you're thinking is that the game can only be played vanillia and that you can't use tools to acomplish large tasks. Granted, world edit for your own personal survival world is unnessesary, but if people want to do that then it's their decision. They don't have to play it vanillia if they don't want to. Consider the Aether mod. It brings a whole new kind of play into the game. It also doesn't make it easy. As for server mods/modes/rp styles, if you can think of it, it can be done. Pretty much. You can have a player act as a god. You can make it possible for a player to slay the god and take their place. Players can rp on their own. It's doesn't matter. The variety makes it fun to play on rp servers, but then tomorrow go on another server where you can just build things. Stop being so purist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonic322 Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 I think the problem with Minecraft is that everyone is too pro now. I mean, you are supposed to be introduced into a brand new world and have nothing but basic survival skills and something else that I can't think of. People dig straight down and others (theDoctorWhom) look for unloaded chunks to find the diamond ore and therefore take out the exploration factor of the game. Mods further ruin this feeling when joining a server by making it possible to do things that would take otherwise days in minutes at best. Some I will say add in more nicer things and features but admin mods are what really kill this. I guess it wouldn't be bad if there was like a single admin that acted like the god of the Minecraft world, people would have to please him like in an RPG or something but otherwise in a world where you can get anything just by asking is boring. It can be argued against this that the mods and pro playing are making better use of the players gaming experience, but that does not go well with sandbox/adventure games. It's to be a group activity where a diluted anarchic-sociology might just work out properly. It's supposed to be a world simulator at best where everyone becomes who they want to be and do what they want. That's how I see it as at least. Arguments against this are more than welcomed. It's not debating if there's just one person. Throw all your ideas out here. I hate how people do that. digging holes in the ground and using unloaded chunks to find stuff is such a bulls*** thing to do. Some of the mods are useful but others do ruin the game like you said. It's not even the whole mod that ruins the game. Like the command that puts barriers and jails on the land that you can see unless you interact with them. In fact the game would be a lot more fun if the players actually got a few more commands instead of reserving them for Ops. I mean all we get are things like Craftbook. I'm not even sure how Craftbook works. I guess it is the thing that adds gates and stuff into the game but anything after that is to confusing for me to use. Although the problem with giving the players more commands is that some of them can't be trusted with more power. (You better know who you are.) I don't thing they are making better use of the game. For example, I can understand building a home or a castle but building the kind of place Alpha lives in is just obnoxious and the fact that there seems to be no limit to the amount of land he has ever had on any map is insane. I won't tell you that I am the best person on the server because that got me banned. But the places I build are of modest size. It might look all fake and square but it is always clean, presentable, symmetrical, and always an even block of land that I use. I built my statue because I wanted people to know that it was my land and I put in the work to make it look the way it does. Unfortunately when I do something like that then it becomes a beacon for people like TheDoctor, LZ, and Anon to mess with my land. I agree that everyone should become who they want to be but the fact that most player don't give a crap about on another really makes it hard to deal with other players. It's not an even pay off. I will admit that I walk around other people's land and look through their chests but I never build/delete their land or take stuff from those chests. Other people however come onto my land and build their crap, delete my things, and take stuff from my chests. And when ever I bring it up they always tell me to stop complaining. I mean if I started acting exactly like TheDoctor and Alpha then I would be banned again but they get off free? I mean it's things like this that make me mad on the server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tauka Usanake Posted August 7, 2011 Author Share Posted August 7, 2011 @ TheDoctor: You completely ignored my point on the mods issue. Some I will say add in more nicer things and features... Mods are used to make thinks better, I admitted to that. What I was targeting were the unnecessary extras. I guess I am a little off on this subject because I am kind of targeting Addict's server with it's lag defining amount of extras, being the only server I have been getting on. An example on RRU-stuff though is the Worldedit commands, although I will say that the copy/paste commands are welcomed for backing up and restoring creations, I do not however respect such commands for when building things from scratch. This is a group of fscking LEGO people (or should be considering LEGO Rock Raiders) and in theory we should enjoy the task of building and taking the time to build, because at the very end when you are done is the greatest feeling of completion that you began the work for. An adventure map in the making is most likely the last thing you would expect on a server unless it was a community project, and therefore would welcome the extra commands to aid in construction. I suppose I can fall in with your argument with the RP subject. That is how the server should operate but I still frown upon the much too kind admins and ops that will grant you almost anything if just asked. This is granting for personal use mind. Something like the RRU City project would be an exception because it is a community project and therefore not for personal use. Afterwards once the ground work is done is another story because then the plots would be ready for ownership and therefore returned to the individual guidelines of building of building with your own resources. Don't call me a purist. Minecraft doesn't have enough as it is to be a great game. That's where the good mods do come in that add stuff like planes and the Aether (if it becomes SMP) and would become a great addition to any server game play. @ Sonic: You are going against my entire argument in this case Sonic. I'm saying to keep the commands apart from the game. Your argument in your case is the injustice that sometimes plagues servers with power drunk admins, for lack of a better term to use. This is not true half the time though because admins have so much they have little to do with it and just mess around with whatever little thing catches their sight. ("FOR SCIENCE!" anyone?) I've seen MS and Anon a few times on the server and they seemed to have less than anything to do while online. Even Cyrem on his RRUCraft server (although he himself is a busy guy) never seemed to do much in the spirit of Minecraft. I will now have to comment that you are going off on the injustices I said just above right now. This is not the case however. In this subject it has to do with an apparent past you had on the forum where everyone came to a near-total dislike of you and never really grew out of it. That is their fault in any case because people never seem to want to forgive out of selfrighteous for themselves. Others afterwards follow suit whenever or not they have distaste for you because watching others suffer is fun. That part is common sense because I do it too but only out of pure fun and always have an /undo waiting behind me. Once again, you may have a valid point in your complant, but not in this topic I'm afraid. And to further this subject of yours I'm afraid that even if put in a new topic, your own at that, it will gain the same support, if not less, than it has gained in this one. Once again, others fault and not your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonic322 Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Once again, you may have a valid point in your complant, but not in this topic I'm afraid. And to further this subject of yours I'm afraid that even if put in a new topic, your own at that, it will gain the same support, if not less, than it has gained in this one. Once again, others fault and not your own. I never thought of it like that. It's everyone else who can't grow out of their petty dislike of me. That makes so much sense right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoctor Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 If you're going to build something gigantic, and the effort that would be needed just to gather the resources isn't worth the time. Even then you have to build it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minifig9292 Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 I hate how people do that. digging holes in the ground and using unloaded chunks to find stuff is such a bulls*** thing to do. It's not like I spam F and find dungeons like that... Heh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tauka Usanake Posted August 8, 2011 Author Share Posted August 8, 2011 If you're going to build something gigantic, and the effort that would be needed just to gather the resources isn't worth the time. Even then you have to build it. If I'm going to build something gigantic I'm going to do it by hand. If it's community gigantic then better get to work. If it is the community then it's for a cause and therefore commands are okay. Plus it's unfair to some that build with hard work and others just get freebies. It doesn't matter if they just have to ask. The same fact stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonic322 Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 If I'm going to build something gigantic I'm going to do it by hand. If it's community gigantic then better get to work. If it is the community then it's for a cause and therefore commands are okay. Plus it's unfair to some that build with hard work and others just get freebies. It doesn't matter if they just have to ask. The same fact stands. Exactly how I feel about my statue. I build it by hand and ask for the stuff that would take practically forever to find like blue or brown wool. They are both made from very rare materials and it is an understandable thing to ask for. But things like Sandstone, and Black/Lime/White/Red/Yellow Wools are easy to make by hand. I mean I find some sane to make Sandstone. Get some flowers and grow/cook some cactus' to get Red/Yellow/Lime wools. Kill some mobs to get Bonemeal and Ink sacks. It is really easy to get everything but the hair/eyes and pants for my character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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