Cyrem Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Since Cirevam hasn't posted this yet, I will. Basically starts of with a confusing question: 'tea of coffee'... and goes on to explain universe expansion through ice/money/time... and ends with a possibility of getting published. Cyrem Fengir, do you drink tea of coffee? Cyrem antillies tea of coffee? Fengir no, but I drink coffee of tea Cyrem I sometime have tea of coffee Cirevam This is getting all existential in here. Cyrem But I prefer them separately. Fengir but I prefer them not at all Fengir and there... sir, is your answer Cyrem you're not a coke addict are you? Cyrem coke as in... the drink. Fengir beat me to my own punch line Cirevam Fengir, are you drunk? Fengir no drunk enough Cyrem or do you drink? Fengir sometimes Cirevam How much? Fengir all of it Cyrem all of? one bottle? Fengir all of... it Fengir it being all Fengir all being the quantity Fengir that is being drunk Cyrem all that you have in one sitting Fengir how did you know? Cyrem how much do you 'have' then Fengir enough Cyrem lol Cirevam Enough for what? Fengir enough to get home Cyrem water Cirevam to get home FOR WHAT? Fengir dinner Cyrem so not that much then?> Fengir only enough Fengir I have to drink... so I can drive Cyrem whats your BA Limit over there? antillies drive what? Fengir drive where? Cyrem to Dinner antillies Weren't we just at dinner? Cyrem Yeah but he's going again Cyrem maybe desert. antillies Second dinner? Are you a hobbit? Fengir maybe dessert Fengir I will not go to the desert Fengir yet Cirevam Unless you want a desert dessert. Cyrem WHY NOT? Fengir not time Cyrem yeah they are awesome antillies Time enough. Fengir time enough for what? antillies All we must decide is what to do with the time that is given. Cirevam Time... to go home. Cyrem Not a desert dessert... but close enough: http://www.davegtrav...ert-Dessert.jpg Fengir must we decide to do anything with what time we have Fengir ? antillies Always two there are. antillies Two clocks, that is. Cyrem Two of what? antillies On the wall. Fengir what time is it? Fengir on these clocks? antillies 0 AM antillies and -1 PM Cirevam Those clocks never move. Cirevam How do we know... if it's time. antillies They do when I throw them across the room. Fengir then we might not know... if it was time Cyrem We could always time how long they take to get across the room. Fengir with what? Fengir more clocks Fengir are they time? antillies The clock we throw? Cirevam Only when they move. antillies Is time time? Cirevam Time is money. Fengir is it time for time to be time Cyrem we should watch time. Fengir ? Cirevam And money is something that I have a lot of. antillies (Oh, look, passing light wave. *Grabs onto it to get himself out of this existensial black hole*) Fengir I equate money with the poor Cirevam You're just jealous because I have four points. Cirevam Four rich and interesting points. Cirevam While you are merely round, and soft-fleshed. Fengir while I am simply round Cyrem THEN CIREVAM IS JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE! Fengir no Cirevam WOah Cyrem I need to steal your time. Fengir how much? Cyrem Enough Fengir then how much would I have? Cyrem whatever is left after I've taken enough Fengir why me? antillies antillies has left the room Cyrem and considering time is money... I might just take it all Fengir but Fengir I've got my mind on my money and my money on my mind Cirevam If he takes it, then he took it. Cirevam But if they're on each other, then where are they? Cyrem But if the time was took, how do we know who takes it? Fengir home Cyrem at dinner. Cyrem eating a desert dessert. Fengir maybe Fengir they would Fengir if there was time Cirevam my god he's right Cyrem wait Cyrem music has time. Cirevam 3/4 time Cyrem I now have an unlimited source of time. Fengir or does time have music Fengir ? Cyrem Cyrem maybe Cirevam I think he's got you on the ropes. Fengir ... Fengir 1 Cyrem but if time has music, how do I get the money out of the time? Fengir 2 Fengir no Fengir time is money Fengir one doesn't extract money from time Fengir time=money Fengir which both have time Cirevam I can extract water from water. Fengir and music Cyrem if time is money than money is time. Cirevam Why is time and money not the same? Cyrem Time==Money Fengir but then water=money=time Cirevam no way Cyrem Money is a solid, not a liquid Fengir but money is liquid Cyrem you'll need to freeze it Fengir as a currency Cirevam Fengir is right. lrn2economics Fengir econ trap Fengir ftw Cyrem we all know iceblocks = money Cyrem well more valuable anyway. Fengir only if ice=water=money=time Cirevam iceblocks aren't liquid. That can't be exchanged for money easily. Cirevam But what about steam? Fengir steam is awful Cirevam Steam is updating... Fengir noooooooooo Fengir computer lagging Cyrem steam==water==ice!=money&&time Fengir .urk Fengir so then... money is not equal to ice Fengir I see Fengir moneytime= ice Cirevam No, he's assigning money and time (as one term) to !ice Fengir so then Fengir what is this moneytime Fengir ? Cyrem you need time and money for ice so indeed "moneytime= ice" Cyrem or ice=money&time Fengir excellent Fengir so now Fengir we know that time=money Fengir or time==money Fengir and we know that moneytime=ice Fengir so Fengir money=ice/time Cirevam This must be why cash is cold and hard. Fengir brilliant Fengir amazing Cyrem amazing Cyrem the CCF Theory Cyrem has been created. Fengir bravo, gentleman... we haved the poverty crisis Fengir gesolved Cirevam We can sell the diamonds because they are ice Cirevam And if we do it over time... Fengir but the fresher they are the better Cyrem more money? Fengir wurd Fengir Cyrem Fengir so the poor have an almost infinite amount of time Fengir good lord Fengir thats why poverty still exists Cirevam We need to stop the clocks. Fengir b/c time=ice/money Cyrem the people of the Antarctic are the richest of them all. Fengir and they have the most time Cyrem or was it the Polar Bears... Cirevam The penguins, maybe? Fengir but they have too much money, thanks to coke Cirevam They have so much time to dance. Fengir the polar bears that is Cyrem Cirevam has a point Cyrem Penguins have so much time they don't know what to do with it. Cyrem They jump into their ice, dance on their ice and live in their ice. Cyrem Many carnivorous animals(due to the jealousy of the penguins) try to kill them. Cirevam I got it Cyrem and there we have ICE=MONEY==TIME==GANGWARS Cirevam time = ice/money Cirevam They have so much time and so much ice... Cirevam But they have zero money. Cyrem or Cirevam They're dividing by zero, so the reason that they have seemingly infinite money is because... Cyrem oh Cirevam *infinite time Cyrem divide by zero error Cirevam ALL PENGUINS ARE ONE PENGUIN Cyrem they are exploiting the universe. Cyrem or HE that is. Fengir cursed penguin Cirevam Hey, global warming is reducing the amount of ice in the ice caps. How does that affect the CCF Theory? Fengir assume time is constant Fengir ice down Fengir money up Fengir thus Fengir time=ice/money Fengir we are RUNNING OUT OF TIME Cirevam The researchers... they must be leaving money behind in Anarctica! Cyrem economy fail safe Cirevam Are you going somewhere with that? Fengir to dinner Cirevam AWWWWWWWWWWWW DAMMIT Fengir sniped Fengir so then how much currency = one unit of ice Fengir ? Fengir what is time measured in? Cirevam There's no quanta of time, but we might be able to use the market price of ice. Cirevam Market ice. Fengir per ounce? Fengir per pound? Fengir per bag? Fengir time units Fengir mt=i Fengir t=i/m Cirevam Maybe kilos of ice would work since ice could potentially vary in density. Cirevam Cracks, expansion, all that shee. Fengir time units= kilo(ice)/money (particular base currency) Fengir t=kilos of ice/$ Cirevam I just discovered that I have some ice cubes in my fridge. Fengir so Fengir using our theorem Fengir how many kilos? Cyrem so t=(i*m)/$ Cirevam I have two ice cubes and they seem to be about one fluid ounce each Cirevam Let's get the conversion for that. Fengir the moneys cancel Fengir in that theory Cirevam I think you're misinterpreting his units. Cyrem m being the weight of the ice Fengir I see Cirevam I have ~0.0567 kg of ice here. Cirevam And 15 USD Fengir you have .00378 time units Cirevam That's not that much. Cyrem so 0.0567 kg of ice = 15USD? Fengir how much is a time unit? Fengir no Fengir mt=i Fengir not m=i Fengir so Cyrem m as in money or mass? Fengir 15(.00378)= .0567 Fengir m as in money Fengir m' Fengir better Fengir m'=money Fengir m=mass of ice Fengir good point Cirevam I'm hungry. I could really go for a Slim Jim right now. Fengir send to Cirevam: 1 slimjim Fengir here you go Cyrem but you cannot return a single value into two var's unless you break the line. Cirevam receivedL 1 slimjim Cirevam Holy crap I'm actually eating a slim jim now Cyrem Therefore error in line 1 position 2. Cirevam This isn't a program, Cyrem. This is economics. Cirevam The rules are different. Cyrem they almost work the same Cirevam Damn ravagers... Fengir no Fengir no they don't Cirevam I just realized something. Cirevam Money is liquid, and time flows. Cirevam Yet time is not liquid. Fengir so then, what is moneytime? Fengir .. Fengir its a solid Cirevam Fengir b/c Fengir moneytime=ice Cyrem while money & time equal the same, they are not the same. Fengir Cirevam, translate that mess into economics please Cirevam wtf Fengir good to go Cirevam He's saying this, I think: Fengir money and time =some x Fengir but Cirevam a = money, and a = time (assignment) Fengir money is not equal to time? Cirevam But money and time are separate variables. Cirevam So a == moneytime. Fengir yes Fengir yes they are Fengir wurd Cyrem I just found out something cirevam Cyrem Fengir, is not real Cirevam What? Cyrem or at least, he is not really here Cirevam Is he out of time? Cirevam IS HE MONEYTIME? Cyrem indeed Cyrem His time expired: Last Active Today, 03:52 PM Cyrem 5 mins ago Cirevam You sir, are out of time. Fengir ouch Fengir my time Fengir better get some ice Fengir and spend my money Cirevam You can buy ice with your money. Fengir true Fengir but its 2 am here Cyrem goto your local time dealer Cirevam Call up the Time Raiders. Fengir lame Cyrem Are they not still in space Cirevam? Cirevam They're back to get ice. Cyrem icesee Fengir then they should have stopped by Pluto Cirevam Chief lost his arm there. Cyrem they came from the other direction anyways Cyrem would have been further to pluto Cirevam Hold on Cirevam Space is cold. Any water there would turn to ice. Cyrem depends on it's proximity to the nearest star. Cirevam And... Cirevam SHUT UP I'M DERIVATING Cyrem Cirevam There's also no money in space. Cirevam So there's infinite time in space. Cirevam Now, let's say if you reach the end of the universe, you run out of time. Cirevam Thus, in order for time to be infinite, nothing can reach the end, so the universe expands. Cyrem using the ice from space can you buy time to go further than space has expanded? Cirevam Now, if the universe collapses, we'll be out of time because everything will get warmer (heat death of the universe) and all ice will turn into water. Cirevam No ice over no money = 0/0 Cirevam We'll be out of time. Sadie Meowsalot Sadie Meowsalot has entered the room Fengir also Cyrem oh dear Fengir I figured out how time=ice Fengir how do you preserve something? Cyrem You're not saying you can put freeze time in ice are you? Cirevam Cryogenics, my dear Cyrem. Fengir you freeze it, to give it more time Cyrem You could put money in ice however Cyrem and since money=time you can save time Fengir m't=i Fengir m' now a constant Fengir cause you froze it Fengir thus Fengir xt=i Fengir sorry Fengir ct=i Cyrem and when the universe collapses, it will melt the ice unleashing all the time... making the universe expand again. Fengir omg Cirevam Wow. Fengir so what you're saying is Fengir we could freeze money Fengir which is time Fengir so that Fengir if the universe collapses, it melts the ice and releases the time Fengir thats brilliant Cyrem precisely Cirevam I just put a dollar in the freezer. Fengir you have just made a save state Cirevam So how do I load a state? Fengir thats the tricky part Fengir Cyrem? Cyrem it's automatic Fengir any ideas? Cyrem triggered upon the death of the universe Cyrem unless you wanted to manually override it Cirevam So when the universe collapses, I'll load back to this very moment. Fengir its a checkpoint more than a savestate Fengir and create moneytime all over again Cirevam We'll load back... to the creation of moneytime. Fengir I think we should be published in The Economist for this Fengir or Forbes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McJobless Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 I said it to Sadie, and I'll say it again, you guys are f***ing clowns. I would get more money for throwing an insured freezer at you that I would for freezing any amount of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 After reading this, I've discovered the answer to the universe is half a door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cirevam Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 I would get more money for throwing an insured freezer at you that I would for freezing any amount of money. If you throw something, you're using up time. Since it's a freezer and you're throwing it (i.e. it isn't plugged in), ice is a constant here. m' = ct t decreases since you're throwing the freezer (all velocities involve time), and since ice is a constant c, m' decreases. You actually lose money by throwing your freezer, possibly due to it breaking and you needing to buy a new one. But wait, it's insured, so you gain money... but that money had to come from somewhere. You don't lose money, but the insurance company does. Also, the reason I haven't posted this yet is because I'm trying to get it into a proper format that I can submit to some of the econ professors on campus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadie Meowsalot Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 I can't comprehend this illogical bollocks... After reading this, I've discovered the answer to the universe is half a door. What ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McJobless Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 I would get more money for throwing an insured freezer at you that I would for freezing any amount of money. If you throw something, you're using up time. Since it's a freezer and you're throwing it (i.e. it isn't plugged in), ice is a constant here. m' = ct t decreases since you're throwing the freezer (all velocities involve time), and since ice is a constant c, m' decreases. You actually lose money by throwing your freezer, possibly due to it breaking and you needing to buy a new one. But wait, it's insured, so you gain money... but that money had to come from somewhere. You don't lose money, but the insurance company does. Once again, I'm not losing money, I'm getting a return. And what if I got the freezer for free in the first place? I'm gaining money. Yes, I can see what you're saying where the money needs to have come from somewhere, and on a larger scale it is being affected by time and such, but looking at just myself, I win, you lose, we all blow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrem Posted October 8, 2011 Author Share Posted October 8, 2011 IAlso, the reason I haven't posted this yet is because I'm trying to get it into a proper format that I can submit to some of the econ professors on campus. Oh ok. Sweet. Once again, I'm not losing money, I'm getting a return. And what if I got the freezer for free in the first place? I'm gaining money. Incorrect, you are still throwing the freezer resulting in time/money loss. Doesn't matter if you got it for free, it just means you are losing what you could have had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McJobless Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Once again, I'm not losing money, I'm getting a return. And what if I got the freezer for free in the first place? I'm gaining money. Incorrect, you are still throwing the freezer resulting in time/money loss. Doesn't matter if you got it for free, it just means you are losing what you could have had. But as I just stated, I get it back from the insurance company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrem Posted October 8, 2011 Author Share Posted October 8, 2011 Once again, I'm not losing money, I'm getting a return. And what if I got the freezer for free in the first place? I'm gaining money. Incorrect, you are still throwing the freezer resulting in time/money loss. Doesn't matter if you got it for free, it just means you are losing what you could have had. But as I just stated, I get it back from the insurance company. So you took the time to get a quote and sign up to an insurance company. Again, time/money loss in ADDITION to you throwing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McJobless Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Once again, I'm not losing money, I'm getting a return. And what if I got the freezer for free in the first place? I'm gaining money. Incorrect, you are still throwing the freezer resulting in time/money loss. Doesn't matter if you got it for free, it just means you are losing what you could have had. But as I just stated, I get it back from the insurance company. So you took the time to get a quote and sign up to an insurance company. Again, time/money loss in ADDITION to you throwing it. You know what, Cyrem? Come at me. I'm going to create a theorem which smashes the logic bricks off yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrem Posted October 8, 2011 Author Share Posted October 8, 2011 1.Come at me. 2.logic bricks off yours. 1. AKA "Give me merCy PLEASE, I CAN'T TAKE THIS MIND BOBBLING THEORY. I am too weak." 2. It's not my theory. It was created by 4 collective minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenyx Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 You said antarctic, but mentioned polar bears! Polar bears are an arctic species, so your "theory" won't work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrem Posted October 8, 2011 Author Share Posted October 8, 2011 You said antarctic, but mentioned polar bears! Polar bears are an arctic species, so your "theory" won't work! The type of animal has nothing to do with the theory, they were just potential creatures with lots of time/money or ice. I believe we concluded that penguins win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cirevam Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 I redid Extreme's problem since I made a mistake the first time. The equation used should actually be ice / time = money. With ice as a constant, money is completely dependent on time. Time is highly variable since A) you could be throwing the freezer a very long distance or a very short distance and B) we don't know exactly how long a time unit is. It could be eons, or it could be nanoseconds. You have two variables, and thus the equation is unsolvable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 This entire thing can be interrupted by the universe. The universe is expanding and things are being created from blank darkness. This would make all of your discussions null. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McJobless Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 I redid Extreme's problem since I made a mistake the first time. The equation used should actually be ice / time = money. With ice as a constant, money is completely dependent on time. Time is highly variable since A) you could be throwing the freezer a very long distance or a very short distance and B) we don't know exactly how long a time unit is. It could be eons, or it could be nanoseconds. You have two variables, and thus the equation is unsolvable. OH GOD I'VE HELPED THEM. GET OUT OFF THE UNIVERSE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenyx Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 open this in a new tab for emphasis Well then, if Ice/Money = Time AND Money = 0... My calculator gives me an error message, but from my experience with older technology lacking divide-by-zero detection the true solution to the equation would be "all real numbers". In other words, x = x. If money equals 0, then Ice = Time. If time is supposed to be money, then the equation becomes a paradox and enters an infinite loop. If Ice/Money = Time AND Money = 1... If time is money then Ice must be 1. Anything else... If time is money then the equation doesn't work. You'll be hard pressed to find a set of numbers that does. Thus, your theory only stands if time isn't money. Since it is common knowledge that Time = Money, it folds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lair Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I don't understand :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenyx Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I've basically stated that since time is money, the equation Ice/Money=Time doesn't work with a large range of inputs and thus the theory is very unlikely to be proven. However, we can only see the truth if a scientific experiment is conducted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lair Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 No. I got what you said. I don't understand the whole "theory". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McJobless Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I've basically stated that since time is money, the equation Ice/Money=Time doesn't work with a large range of inputs and thus the theory is very unlikely to be proven. However, we can only see the truth if a scientific experiment is conducted. Nah, your counter-theory was better. CYREM, EAT YOUR HEART OUT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenyx Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I've basically stated that since time is money, the equation Ice/Money=Time doesn't work with a large range of inputs and thus the theory is very unlikely to be proven. However, we can only see the truth if a scientific experiment is conducted. Nah, your counter-theory was better. CYREM, EAT YOUR HEART OUT. Scientific process demands that a hypothesis be tested multiple times before it can become a theory. Ccfa "Theory" is really a hypothesis, and my counter-theory is more of a counter-hypothesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fengir Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Well then, if Ice/Money = Time AND Money = 0... Where did you get that Ice/Money= TIme AND Money....? According to the CCFA theory or FTMT, Money=Time=Water, but these are not equal to ice as it is a solid and the others are solids. Thus, the combination of money and time creates a snapshot of money (m') at time (t). Thus, MoneyTime (a solid)=Ice. Slowly now... MoneyTIme=Ice, thus Time= Ice/Money.... not Time and Money= Ice/Money. You added money where there shouldn't have been, at least in accordance with our theory. If you would like to actually PROVE your "Counter-hypothesis", feel free to do so. Until that point, please refrain from yelling out incorrect formulas and arguing the nature of our formula on such weak bases. Respectfully, Fengir PH.D. Map Making Badassery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenyx Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Well then, if Ice/Money = Time AND Money = 0... Where did you get that Ice/Money= TIme AND Money....? According to the CCFA theory or FTMT, Money=Time=Water, but these are not equal to ice as it is a solid and the others are solids. Thus, the combination of money and time creates a snapshot of money (m') at time (t). Thus, MoneyTime (a solid)=Ice. Slowly now... MoneyTIme=Ice, thus Time= Ice/Money.... not Time and Money= Ice/Money. You added money where there shouldn't have been, at least in accordance with our theory. If you would like to actually PROVE your "Counter-hypothesis", feel free to do so. Until that point, please refrain from yelling out incorrect formulas and arguing the nature of our formula on such weak bases. Respectfully, Fengir PH.D. Map Making Badassery First of all, the and was logical, not a part of the original formula. In other words if Ice / Money = Time, and Money = 0, then Ice / 0 = all real numbers. Since it's common knowledge that time is money, then the equation doesn't work. Also, it is already scientifically proven that ice is water in solid form. Still, someone is going to have to freeze some money in order to see if CCFA hypothesis (it hasn't been tested so it cannot be considered a theory) really works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cirevam Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Also, it is already scientifically proven that ice is water in solid form. Still, someone is going to have to freeze some money in order to see if CCFA hypothesis (it hasn't been tested so it cannot be considered a theory) really works. That's the point. Water is not equal to ice in the FTMT because you need time in order to freeze the water into ice. Also, stop adding variables that weren't in the original formula. Whether you're using logical ANDs or not makes no difference, you are changing the formula which you cannot do if you wish to prove or disprove the theorem. Also stop using binary logic. This is econ math and adages. Binary logic doesn't work in economics. By the way, how the hell are you getting money = 0? Where is money equal to 0? In space? Yes, which is why the universe is expanding. On Earth, there is a constantly increasing supply of money, and money can be any liquid form of currency. Money could be dollars, or it could be goats. Also, I already have frozen money on the night that we came up with the theorem. Moneytime is a snapshot in time. Finally, go read a book. Any book. It doesn't matter which. Just one though, or else you might run out of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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