Halo Universe VS Star Wars Universe

[Zephyria]

Meh, I enjoyed TFU, but that's probably cause it was the only fun wii game I had at the time.

[McJobless]

Your attempts to troll are pointless because ultimately Halo and Star Wars are two very different flavors of science fiction. I appreciate both for their individual qualities but there's no concrete argument you can provide that would change my opinion that the military technology of Star Wars vastly outperforms that of the Halo universe.

Not trying to troll, being serious.

The tech in Star Wars seems to be all slow and very boxy, to me. The AT-ATs are clunky, old and pretty much useless if the enemy can get their hands on a couple flying craft with some rope at the back. The Covenant's Scarab, however, is designed as a weapons platform, and thus contains much more powerful weaponry for air and surface attacks, and contains a whole squad of troops to defend it's weaknesses. Furthermore, the scarab is smaller, faster, more stable and constructed from living creatures, giving it an actual intelligence, thus making it a realistic threat.

I didn't say a video game character, I meant a character from a first person shooter game. And a movie doesn't necessarily disconnect you, if it's a good movie.

Obviously you don't appreciate the genre as much as I do. In first person, you are the character, thus the game feels more involving than other forms of media because it's your actions that directly effect the universe.

[Lair]

Obviously you don't appreciate the genre as much as I do.

No, I don't. I can't see how anyone could appreciate mindless killing.

[Zephyria]

Course everything looks like that. The SW aesthetic was made back in the 70's

[McJobless]

Obviously you don't appreciate the genre as much as I do.

No, I don't. I can't see how anyone could appreciate mindless killing.

*sigh* I didn't you had a soul, Lair, but there you go.

I won't play a game unless it has a fantastic story and a reason to kill things. Halo is an example. Genocidal aliens attempting to destroy everything. It's for their own good.

Course everything looks like that. The SW aesthetic was made back in the 70's

Time be no factor. If they could made lightsabers, I'm sure that they could have made more than just boxes on legs and triangles that fly.

[Lair]

I didn't you had a soul, Lair, but there you go.

Could you possibly say this sentence in a way I could understand? A verb would be nice.

I won't play a game unless it has a fantastic story and a reason to kill things.

But FPS games don't have reasons to kill. You just shoot everything you see.

[McJobless]

Could you possibly say this sentence in a way I could understand? A verb would be nice.

I accidentally the word that was meant to go there. "know"

But FPS games don't have reasons to kill. You just shoot everything you see.

But I just provided one...either kill 100 aliens or have every species become extinct. Morally, I see the former option the correct choice.

[Lair]

Could you possibly say this sentence in a way I could understand? A verb would be nice.

I accidentally the word that was meant to go there. "know"

And once more you failed to include a word, therefore making your sentence meaningless.

What, is it a bad thing to be human?

But I just provided one...either kill 100 aliens or have every species become extinct. Morally, I see the former option the correct choice.

But it's still a first person shooter game. By definition, it's just killing things. Reason or no, that's all you do.

[Zephyria]

Not quite. Shooters have evolved since those days. There are some shooter games where you don't have to kill a SINGLE person.

[Antillies]

The tech in Star Wars seems to be all slow and very boxy, to me. The AT-ATs are clunky, old and pretty much useless if the enemy can get their hands on a couple flying craft with some rope at the back. The Covenant's Scarab, however, is designed as a weapons platform, and thus contains much more powerful weaponry for air and surface attacks, and contains a whole squad of troops to defend it's weaknesses. Furthermore, the scarab is smaller, faster, more stable and constructed from living creatures, giving it an actual intelligence, thus making it a realistic threat.

That's funny you should say that because I would view an AT-AT's and Scarab's combat role as being quite similar. I fail to see how AT-ATs are clunky and old. They're extremely powerful and new technology. Yes, they move slow (albeit at 60 km/h, that's nearly 10x faster than any foot soldier could muster) but what they lack in speed they gain in versatility and stability. AT-ATs are made to traverse, as their namesake would indicate, all types of difficult terrain that a faster repulsorlift vehicle could not, making them a far more valuable and reliable military asset.

It's absolutely true that an AT-ATs greatest weakness is from above/from behind but saying that they're rendered completely useless when a few aircraft are interjected into the battle is quite a generalization. It's like saying that tanks are worthless when the enemy gets bazookas. Most military matters are determined not by paper strength but by how well resources are utilized. Rogue group did a tremendous job against the walkers but ultimately were only able to inflict 2-3 kills (one of which was from Luke and his grenade) while taking 75-80% casualties themselves. In normal operation, AT-ATs are accompanied by infantry and medium/light armor to protect their flanks and supported by TIEs.

As for the Scarab, from playing Halo 2, it seems like it doesn’t really move all that much faster than an AT-AT. It has a squad to defend itself? An AT-ATs troop payload is a full platoon. Plus, that entire open platform on its back makes it quite vulnerable to boarding action.

[Lair]

but what they lack in speed they gain in versatility and stability

but ultimately were only able to inflict 2-3 kills (one of which was from Luke and his grenade) while taking 75-80% casualties themselves.

but those 2 kills lead to pictures like this and the empire's rep goes down. can't have them thinking our walkers are inferior, can we?

Yes we can, we'll just blow their planet up if they do.

[McJobless]

Check out the Halo 3 scarab. The H2 scarab was stripped from canon.

[Antillies]

but those 2 kills lead to pictures like this and the empire's rep goes down. can't have them thinking our walkers are inferior, can we?

Yes we can, we'll just blow their planet up if they do.

Losses are inevitable in any military conflict. Taking down a walker is quite a feat and I would sure as hell be proud of it if I did it but it hardly makes up for the tens of thousands of destroyed ships and vehicles the Alliance has accumulated over the four years of warfare. Also, it's unlikely a large portion of the ground personnel saw the walkers fall. Even if they did, the conversation would go like this: "Did you see that walk-" "Dude, all my friends are dead..." The Battle of Hoth was a decisive Imperial victory. Not much could be salvaged PR-wise for the rebellion. [And I'll lol at your last comment.]

Check out the Halo 3 scarab. The H2 scarab was stripped from canon.

Actually didn't know that. Another reason to play Halo 3 I suppose.

[CTXXTC]

Two words: The flood and the halo rings.

[Cyrem]

Star Wars auto-wins. You can't even begin to compare Halo to it.

Darth Vader would kill everyone in Halo without even pulling out his lightsaber.... and thats just ONE guy that could do it.

A video game requires the player interacts with the video game, and in most cases, take on a characters persona for more than 6 hours. The player can associate with the character and shape them to be who they want them to be, especially with silent characters, which Halo features in all it's campaigns.

Yet the story is still the same no matter how good or bad you are at the game.... otherwise sequels to the game would be impossible. This also means the character in the game has no personal character, because you take over him.

Additionally, the is a comparison of war between them, not characters.

Jubba could probably even cripple all of Halo's trade routes without moving out of his bed.

[McJobless]

Star Wars auto-wins. You can't even begin to compare Halo to it.

Darth Vader would kill everyone in Halo without even pulling out his lightsaber.... and thats just ONE guy that could do it.

A video game requires the player interacts with the video game, and in most cases, take on a characters persona for more than 6 hours. The player can associate with the character and shape them to be who they want them to be, especially with silent characters, which Halo features in all it's campaigns.

Yet the story is still the same no matter how good or bad you are at the game.... otherwise sequels to the game would be impossible. This also means the character in the game has no personal character, because you take over him.

Additionally, the is a comparison of war between them, not characters.

Jubba could probably even cripple all of Halo's trade routes without moving out of his bed.

I believe I can and I'm doing a brilliant job of it so far.

Darth Vader would be dead in an instant. Yeah, he has some significant force ability, but the Covenant would simply glass the planet (aka Reach) and that would be the end of that chapter.

Reach's last mission. Moreover, the story can't change in Star Wars at all. At least in Halo you can decide minor factors, such as whether you save the suicidal marines or not. Also, they do have personal character in the Non-Playable Cutscenes, when they take on a persona for a quick minute so they can get the player back in the action with a new set of objectives.

I made my comparison in the first post. The Sith Lords might stand a chance, but everyone else, including the Jedi, would be decimated by both the UNSC and Covenant.

Halo doesn't have trade routes. My book is in another room, but it has travel paths through space which did get cut off at several points thanks to space rebels and the Covenant, and in all instances the UNSC quickly restored them to working condition. With exception to Harvest.

[Drill Master]

Darth Vader would kill everyone from Halo? I'd like to see him take on a MAC round....

[CTXXTC]

Again, you're forgetting the Flood and the Halo Rings.

[Minifig9292]

You can't compare the two...

[Axel]

I think Star Wars just has a much larger fleshed out universe to work with, though I am by no means an expert on either.

[Antillies]

Darth Vader would be dead in an instant. Yeah, he has some significant force ability, but the Covenant would simply glass the planet (aka Reach) and that would be the end of that chapter.

And how would the Covenant fleet get past an Imperial battlegroup? Judging by the damage that Covenant ships deal to UNSC vessels, it seems likely that Imperial ships would overpower them, although this is probably the area that would be the closest in terms of military strength as both factions use plasma-based weapons. Also, while "glassing" is a relatively new Covenant strategy, the Empire has been implementing the doctrine since its inception.

I made my comparison in the first post. The Sith Lords might stand a chance, but everyone else, including the Jedi, would be decimated by both the UNSC and Covenant.

There's hardly any difference between Dark Jedi ("Sith") and Jedi. Most experienced Force-users would be able to compete well with ground forces from each faction, patricianly UNSC infantry and armor. Covenant plasma weapons are essentially the equivalent of blasters, if not less potent, so they would have no problem re-adapting their techniques to deal with those.

Halo doesn't have trade routes. My book is in another room, but it has travel paths through space which did get cut off at several points thanks to space rebels and the Covenant, and in all instances the UNSC quickly restored them to working condition. With exception to Harvest.

The UNSC certainly does have trade routes, if only the routes that transports take, say, from Harvest to whatever planet distributes or needs grain. An interplanetary economy cannot be sustained without space trade routes, just as the US economy could not be sustained without roads (trade routes).

Darth Vader would kill everyone from Halo? I'd like to see him take on a MAC round....

You realize Jedi can affect starships with the Force, right? What's a small metal round of tungsten to do in that case?

[Drill Master]

Well what about The Flood? How would Star Wars handle an adaptive parasidic life form powerful enough for the strongest beings in the Universe to create the 7 rings that lead to their own demise to save all other species of life? For every 10 flood jedi would kill 1000 more would be spawning around them. What could Star Wars do to beat The Flood?

[s0d3rb3rg]

Yeah, they would be pretty screwed if the Flood somehow got to whatever galaxy Star Wars takes place in. In the Halo universe, the Flood almost completely takes over the Milky Way and the only way to stop them is to starve them to death (I.E. wipe out all life in the entire galaxy) The Forerunners does this by creating the Halos, and I don't think the Empire has the technology to create such a weapon. But I could be wrong. They do have a weapon that can destroy entire planets, so maybe they can create one that can destroy entire galaxies too...

If the Covenant discovered the Star Wars galaxy and decided to attack the Empire it would probably be a pretty even battle. Though, that would never happen, because the Covenant did not exist "a long time ago" However, the Forerunners did. And if they attacked the Empire they would probably win. But that would probably not happen, because the Forerunners are pretty friendly, aren't they? They would see the Empire as a threat and wipe them out. Just like they did with the Precursors (who were actually alot more powerful than the Forerunners), The Prophet race(whatever they're called) and the ancient space-humans. But it would probably never happen because, I'm pretty sure the Forerunners don't travel to other galaxies.

UNSC vs Empire? pffft everyone knows who wins...

Enitre Star Wars universe vs entire Halo universe

no, that would be ridiculous.

[Cyrem]

SW universe is much larger then that of Halo. The movies only show one part. They have Death Star's to annihilate entire planets in seconds... and they can build multiple of them within a lifetime. They produce robots for their army as if they cost 0.1c each, they have the force which is has practically unlimited power...to bring people to life or kill them in an instant, the force can be used to throw their ships around and knock out a wall of troops... what is demonstrated in the movies is only a small portion of what the force is capable of.

And what of the flood? If they are parasites, how would they develop advanced weapons, schools in advanced technology, or do they auto-magically know how to do all this stuff?. In space their personal abilities mean squat. They would loose in a space battle.

[Cirevam]

And what of the flood? If they are parasites, how would they develop advanced weapons, schools in advanced technology, or do they auto-magically know how to do all this stuff?. In space their personal abilities mean squat. They would loose in a space battle.

They assimilate knowledge from their hosts. This is why Captain Keyes was being used to form a Gravemind in Halo 1: he knew so much about the UNSC and the location of Earth that the Flood considered him valuable enough to be used as what is basically a giant brain.

I don't see how the Flood could be a threat in the SW universe. Scan a planet. Is the Flood there? Yes? Blow it up with the Death Star. Repeat for other infected planets. Space is such a vast expanse that even if the mutagen spore cell whatever it is could survive a vacuum for centuries, the probability of it hitching onto something that would lead it to a viable host in time would be statistically zero.