Halo Universe VS Star Wars Universe

[Drill Master]

Let it be known I'm not saying Star Wars is BAD (I loved, and I mean LOVED the Knights of the Old Republic RPG games).

Neither am I. I love and own all 6 movies and the Battlefront games. I am actually interested in 1313 when it comes out.

[Minifig9292]

Uh...how? It's just a bunch of mindless shooting things.

No.

Just no.

I hate it when people assume halo is some bang bang blam blam bulls***.

Halo has an incredible story, incredible characters.

I consider it to be one of the best modern game franchises today.

Shut up and learn about something before you make claims like that.

That summarizes the first 15-20 minutes of Halo2.

Watch it and enjoy it.

Good day sir.

[Baz]

Story and cut scenes aside, I do think the multiplayer in Halo 2 was rather lacking and sadly did amount to a lot of mindless shooting (which I don't necessarily regard to always be a bad thing on its own. TF2 is pretty much equally mindless and is still tons of fun, same goes for Battlefield 3), and it didn't have enough of an edge to it to make it more worth playing than the other games I had around that time (Star Wars Battlefont I & II, Call of Duty 4, etc.) which had similar gameplay styles but an environment that I liked a lot more. It's a matter of preference really.

That being said I haven't played any of the Halo games after Halo 2 so I don't really know how much improvement they've made over the years. And a lot of FPS games are mindless shooting these days and are drowned in so much genericness (i.e. the style of gameplay is several years old and hasn't adapted much over the years, case and point, MoH & every Call of Duty game that came after CoD4) that I can't blame Lair for assuming that the Halo series fell under that category.

[noghiri]

It's actually the opposite. TFU is level 2 canon. Which is one below G-Canon, which are the movies.

Haha, nice try but no.

BTW, did you know that T-cannon screws up G-cannon in many places? Many Star Wars fans just ignore the Clone Wars idiocy.

Another note in the EU and games section,

Games and RPG sourcebooks are a special case; the stories and general background information are themselves fully C-canon, but the other elements such as character/item statistics and gameplay are, with few exceptions, N-canon.

So, TFU IS C-cannon.

Star Wars has the Noghri. We also have the Mando'ade, and the HK-series battle droids, and Darth Revan (not to mention all the other Sith), several generations of Jedi knights, and if we ever want to zerg rush the Halo people, we can send them the droids, the clones, the Yuuzan Vong, and Grand Admiral Thrawn to strategize the whole thing.

[McJobless]

Never heard of the Noghri.

The Mandolorians are barely comparable to SPARTAN Is. Johnson is a S1 and he could kick all their arses double time.

HK-47, the 49's, the 50's and the 51's are all easily killed if you play KotOR. Especially #2 if you install the TSRCM Mod.

Revan is like a ghost. He's there for one game and then he disappears into the night and never comes back. I refuse to except that TOR is canon.

All those Jedi Knights couldn't handle the Flood. Neither could the Sith. There's simply too many. They can propagate "trained soldiers" faster than the Jedi or Sith can. And once a couple Force Sensitives are infected, the remaining survivors are going to have some SERIOUS problems.

Clones are the same thing as above, except it'd be worse because there would be significantly more infections due to more troops. Don't say armour because the Flood can (using Halo logic) magically penetrate any armour type. Droids may be a little more effective, but case in point are the sentinels in Halo CE to Halo 3. They could barely put up a fight against the flood, and they were built WITH THE SPECIFIC PURPOSE of fighting the flood. Star Wars droids are built to fight much slower targets at range.

Not sure about either of the other two, but I bet they couldn't make a difference.

[Drill Master]

Droids would be like "Holy Crap!" when they come across Halo 2's Enforcer

[noghiri]

Yuuzanhng Vong are like the Flood but less... Virulent. 10 Noghri armed with STONE KNIVES killed an entire battalion of Stormtroopers. You also forget Droidekas: They're shielded, move fast, and the newer models can fire while moving.

You also forget the power of the Star Forge. Innaccurate droids don't matter when I'm zerg rushing you with 5000 times your force size, especially considering they range from cannon fodder to things that take out star destroyers. There's Abeloth, from the newer books, the physical manafestations of the Force (the light side girl, the dark side guy and the old man who is both), the Aing Tii monks, who can teleport and kill with the force much better than any Jetii or dar'Jetii. There are the Unknown Region races, with their powerful armies, the Chiss Ascendancy, and we have many superweapons, the Blue Moon virus will kill all your humans, as will Psyfog, which will also damage all the human-based Flood things. Because we are opening this up to all the characters that ever lived, we also have the Genoharadan, in all its generations, who managed to kill billions and stay behind the scenes, all the Assemblers, every Mando'ade who ever lived, who will still put a good dent in your forces, and billions of starships that will be kamikazeing, destroying and desintigrating your forces while we get our superweapons set up to blow your planets from the face of the galaxy. Because Star Wars covers so much more time, so many more characters, we can zerg rush you with troops that by themselves would put a good dent in your forces.

[Antillies]

10 Noghri armed with STONE KNIVES killed an entire battalion of Stormtroopers.

What's the source for this? On equal grounds, Noghri would not be able to challenge Stormtroopers, let alone an entire battalion. They're trained assassins but not soldiers.

[Cyrem]

zerg

yaaano.

[McJobless]

A) Stop saying "zerg rush".

B) It doesn't matter how many characters you have, the point is that we simply have to turn a key and then everything gets destroyed. So long as we stay on a shield world, we'll be fine.

More importantly.

Yuuzanhng Vong are like the Flood but less... Virulent. 10 Noghri armed with STONE KNIVES killed an entire battalion of Stormtroopers.

Write a ballad about it. I haven't heard of either of those, so they mustn't be too important.

You also forget Droidekas: They're shielded, move fast, and the newer models can fire while moving.

So? Elites are shielded, they could run fast (especially Zealots and the ones with Jetpacks) and they all fire while running.

You also forget the power of the Star Forge. Innaccurate droids don't matter when I'm zerg rushing you with 5000 times your force size, especially considering they range from cannon fodder to things that take out star destroyers.

The only thing the Star Forge does is create troops. The flood does that. In mere seconds they propagate to hundreds of thousands of soldiers, provided they get access to 10% of the body mass of a previously living thing.

You forget that Scarabs are worms. The covenant simply has to build a bigger shell for the worms.

There's Abeloth, from the newer books, the physical manafestations of the Force (the light side girl, the dark side guy and the old man who is both), the Aing Tii monks, who can teleport and kill with the force much better than any Jetii or dar'Jetii. There are the Unknown Region races, with their powerful armies, the Chiss Ascendancy, and we have many superweapons, the Blue Moon virus will kill all your humans, as will Psyfog, which will also damage all the human-based Flood things.

Alright then, I introduce the Forerunners and the Precursors. You lose automatically. I'd bring out my Halo Encyclopedia and whoop your arse with information on these two ancient races that pretty much created the universe, but it's a pretty big book and I cbf to get it.

Because we are opening this up to all the characters that ever lived, we also have the Genoharadan, in all its generations, who managed to kill billions and stay behind the scenes, all the Assemblers, every Mando'ade who ever lived, who will still put a good dent in your forces, and billions of starships that will be kamikazeing, destroying and desintigrating your forces while we get our superweapons set up to blow your planets from the face of the galaxy. Because Star Wars covers so much more time, so many more characters, we can zerg rush you with troops that by themselves would put a good dent in your forces.

Geoharadan are assassins. They can't do squat in battle. The assemblers are elusive and yet nowhere as powerful as the Precursors. You don't have billions of ships, and any ship you do have is nowhere close to the size of the Covenants assault cruisers. They'd simply glass the crap out of everything you have.

[noghiri]

Yuuzanhg Vong not important? They take up a good 10 Coruscant years worth of books.

10 Noghri armed with STONE KNIVES killed an entire battalion of Stormtroopers.

What's the source for this? On equal grounds, Noghri would not be able to challenge Stormtroopers, let alone an entire battalion. They're trained assassins but not soldiers.

I believe it was in one of the comics involving Thrawn? I read quite a few of those at the local library, as they have a larger collection than I could ever really get, and still have money for Lego.

Why should I stop using the term "zerg rush", refering to how we could swarm you? I would suggest sending in all the droids on the main battlefield, commanded by the best flesh-and-blood tacticians. Noghri commandos, Geoharadan forces and Sith assassins would be sent in behind the lines to take out your chain of command.

The Flood is purely viral, correct? You'd be loosing men to it, too. Once all your people are Flood, we'll just leave behind some Trihexalophine 1138, which will turn your planet into a wasteland, and blockade it.

Finally,

LEGO got the Star Wars license.

Megablox got the Halo license.

[Cirevam]

LEGO got the Star Wars license.

Megablox got the Halo license.

/thread

[Antillies]

I believe it was in one of the comics involving Thrawn? I read quite a few of those at the local library, as they have a larger collection than I could ever really get, and still have money for Lego.

Hmm, I'd have to see it - it's definitely not in the books (what the comics were covering).

[McJobless]

LEGO got the Star Wars license.

Megablox got the Halo license.

/thread

Ha.

But tell me, overall, what is the biggest sell out; Star Wars or Halo? Star Wars sells significantly more crap products.

[noghiri]

I believe it was in one of the comics involving Thrawn? I read quite a few of those at the local library, as they have a larger collection than I could ever really get, and still have money for Lego.

Hmm, I'd have to see it - it's definitely not in the books (what the comics were covering).

Now that I think about it, I'm not as sure. The Wiki is silent on the matter.

[Cyrem]

Star Wars sells significantly more crap products.

Let me remind you:

• Halo MegaBloks
  
• StarWars Lego
  

SW wins hands down.

SW sells more products because its a MUCH bigger franchise.

Now, prepare to die:

[McJobless]

Great, Star Wars has the upper-hand on one product type. I'm yet to see Star Wars Nerf Guns.

Bigger, yeah, but I'm talking crap like beach towels, toothbrushes, gift cards and wrapping paper, pens etc. It starts to get a bit obsessive after a while.

That guy uses a flashy sword and some sharp armour to try and look cool, but he's got nothing on these guys:

I'm yet to see a real-life Star Wars costume that looks half as awesome.

[Cyrem]

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I'm yet to see a real-life Star Wars costume that looks half as awesome.

All I see is generic future soldiers that they use in practically every near future movie. If they didn't use those helmets I wouldn't have even noticed they were from Halo.

Guns are boring, even The Joker thinks so. Swords are far more stylish. Jedi/Sith reaction times a second to none... and so can deflect most fire back at the shooter. So in a way... those guys are just going to shoot themselves if they use laser tech yet. If they still use bullets, they'll just insta-melt on contact with the saber.

SW Pen, I'd buy that. I'd also buy a SW mug and I already have a poster... and a Clone Trooper clock.

Anyway, you can't compare Halo Soldiers to Jedi/Sith. That's like comparing an apprentice to a master. You'd have to compare them to Storm/Shadow/Scout/Clone Troopers.

So then...

Inquisitorium Dark Trooper

Don't be fooled by the troopers in white you see often, they are just the low ranks.

[Pranciblad]

Allow me to interrupt to say this: This topic is like statistics, you can say any awnser and be right. They're fiction at the hands of anyone who cares to put their thumbprint on the francise- of course both are going to have the most OP things imaginable in them. No-one is even trying to pretend this is an actual Universe vs universe battle and just going <MY FAVORED FRANCHISE HAS BETTER MERCHANDISEEEEEEEEE!!! For pete's sake, if it wasn't torn to shreds by capcom's stupidity, I could probably be arguing that the Mega Man universe is better. But you don't see me doing that, do you? That's because I don't need to compete in the big battle to prove that my favorite thing is better than your favorite thing. If you like something, fine! I don't need to say "well mine's better BTW", NO THAT REASON DOESN't COUNT" "YES IT DOES" "WELL THERE'S THIS TOO!" etc,etc. for PAGES UPON PAGES.

[noghiri]

As far as costume making goes,

Every one of them has customized, non-generic armor that is still distinctly Mandalorian, and thus Star Wars. I'd like to see you do that with your UNSC Spartans, whom I was only able to tell were Spartans and not average scifi soldiers because of the emblem on one of their chests.

As far as arguing goes, I don't know about the others, but this is fun trying to one-up in everything from strategy to soldiers to variety. I think I see the best each side has to offer here, and it looks cool.

[Cirevam]

Great, Star Wars has the upper-hand on one product type. I'm yet to see Star Wars Nerf Guns.

Bigger, yeah, but I'm talking crap like beach towels, toothbrushes, gift cards and wrapping paper, pens etc. It starts to get a bit obsessive after a while.

That guy uses a flashy sword and some sharp armour to try and look cool, but he's got nothing on these guys:

1) You're not looking hard enough: http://nerf.wikia.com/wiki/Clone_Trooper_Blaster

2) The way you fawn over and preach about Halo is a bit obsessive too. But to be more fair, Halo makes Microsoft a ton of money and I don't see signs of the franchise dying anytime soon. Star Wars makes money too but it's pretty much over. That's the one thing I think we can all agree on. Both bring on the big bucks.

3) And those ODST solders are using grey guns and anonymity to try and look cool, but they've got nothing on those Mandalorians up there.

Try harder. :smug:

[Antillies]

Ugh, this is tearing me apart. I love the military hardware of both universes. Cyrem, I contest that they look generic - I see them and immdiately identify them as ODST. Extreme, there's a legion of armor-making Star Wars fan groups. All armor sets look awesome from both universes. Take a set of Stormtrooper armor and give it a treatment of battle-fatigue and you get something just as cool. Also, I'm pretty sure the pic you grabbed is a BTS from Landfall so I don't know if we can describe that as fan-made. :P

[Drill Master]

One word: Precursers. They created humans, forerunners, and all other live in the Milky Way, including The Flood. They were only wiped out by the Forerunners because the Forerunners turned The Precurser's technology against them. Other than themselves, who could defeat the Precursers?

[noghiri]

Three words: Ratakan Infinite Empire. Genetic engineering, lasted for thousands of years, and yes, I know the Ratakans in KOTOR were pretty easy to beat, but they're after the race had declined both genetically and positionally. Their spider-type droids were hard to beat. They invented a manufacturing plant that used a freaking sun to power itself, and could turn out massive numbers of soldiers. They terraformed many many planets, and in a single strike did to Tatooine what took four destroyers to do to Taris, and they did it much better.

I know, how about we try and argue the opposite sides now? If nobody cheats, it's a fun exercise, and is very informative.

[ftgsarge]

As an answer to the original question. I pick Star Wars. But fangasm says Halo. So tie. Now for the comparison.

Halo Star Wars

1. Main protagonists Arby and the Chief Anikin and Luke Based on the characters alone, Halo. Two highly trained warriors versus The chosen
   one and his farm boy son. Sure the SW EU grants more to Luke being a trainer of the
   new jedi order, but Halo is still in development.
   
   
   
2. Universe badasses ODSTs Mandalorians Star Wars, hands down. Some elite soldiers against a race and culture of fighting wars.
   Also, beskar armor. The greatest invention since the light saber, and it can block it.
   
   
3. Super weapon Halo rings Death Star Hard to say, both have positives and negatives. Destroying a single planet, or wiping out
   all life in the galaxy? I'll just say, droids aren't life and can still crew the death star if
   necessary.
   
   
4. Weapons Bullets and plasma Lasers After some thinking, Star Wars. Lasers would hurt more over all than bullets and plasma
   would; bullets only really being effective against unarmored troops like jedi.
   
   
5. Vehicles Yeah Yeah Star Wars. Much more varied and specialized.
   
   
6. In space Blarg Honk Again, Star Wars. The UNSC just can't bring it. Space lasers.
   

And as a final note. The game: http://www.mediafire.com/?ah1lav4eyzlejlq