Halo Universe VS Star Wars Universe

[Cyrem]

Sun Crusher.

All that you know is to an end.

Swarm problem? Bah! we've got you covered.

Pranciblad is right, it's an un-winnable argument because it depends on how big of a fan you are.

[Lair]

I hate it when people assume halo is some bang bang blam blam bulls***.

As it is a shooter game, I am not assuming.

I consider it to be one of the best modern game franchises today.

Hah.

Shut up

No

and learn about something before you make claims like that.

I did learn about something before making a claim.

[McJobless]

Can I just say, everytime I see a ship from Star Wars, I puke in disgust. It looks like George Lucas got a kid from Year 2 who only understands basic shapes like triangles and rectangles to make some kind of weird, demented THING and then he goes and adds a couple bumps to it. Go look at all the ships from Star Wars that people on these forums make LEGO versions of in the MOC section, and tell me that they look "good". They look better as remote controls and hammers than they do as things that fly.

With exception to the Halcyon-Class Crusiers (aka Pillar of Autum), all of Halo's starcraft are sleek and amazing. Also, the regular aircraft are WAY more powerful and spectacular than anything the Star Wars universe offers. That goes for all Halo factions, not just UNSC. At least the guys who designed the Halo aircraft knew how to create things that weren't:

1. A pole with a car stuck on the top
   
2. A giant triangle with a T stuck on the top
   
3. A box with two wings stuck on the sides
   

EDIT: In my opinion, I believe Lair is being pretty bias in his argument against Halo, although he hasn't really presented one. I'm sorry you don't like shooters, but I guarantee you that if you look past gameplay for a second, the franchise is much more amazing than Star Wars. At least there are Jar Jar Binks or Jabba the Hutts which do nothing but make a serious story hilarious for the WRONG reasons.

[Cyrem]

LA LA LA I'M JUST AS BIASED AS I SAY LAIR IS.

Oh we arguing over shapes now? WELL I THINK TRIANGLES ARE BETTER THEN SPHERES.

Protip: Don't mess with the Hutts. They're gangsters.

Also, the regular aircraft are WAY more powerful and spectacular than anything the Star Wars universe offers.

Did you bin dive? I swear this comment was in the bin of 'nonfactual and stupid claims'.

Halo ships look like poop.True stpry.

[GordonFreeman]

Halo VS Star Wars?

Easy.

Star Wars has LEGO, Halo has Meager-Bloks.

CASE CLOSED!

[McJobless]

LA LA LA I'M JUST AS BIASED AS I SAY LAIR IS.

No, whereas Lair's only argument is that he doesn't like shooters, I'm giving out arguments on why Halo bests Star Wars in a variety of fields.

Oh we arguing over shapes now? WELL I THINK TRIANGLES ARE BETTER THEN SPHERES.

Right, but the Death Star is a sphere, so your argument is invalid?

Protip: Don't mess with the Hutts. They're gangsters.

Fat gansters who get other people to do their dirty work. At least all the characters in Halo can last in a firefight and do some actual work.

Also, the regular aircraft are WAY more powerful and spectacular than anything the Star Wars universe offers.

Did you bin dive? I swear this comment was in the bin of 'nonfactual and stupid claims'.

I based it on my own research. I'd like to see something which could best a Sabre.

Halo ships look like poop.True stpry.

I could say the same about Jabba the Hutt.

Halo VS Star Wars?

Easy.

Star Wars has LEGO, Halo has Meager-Bloks.

CASE CLOSED!

We already solved this; it doesn't matter unless you're the kind of guy who only rocks on if their favourite products are in LEGO. If that's your best argument, then Halo has already won.

I'm not saying Star Wars is s***, I'm just saying Halo is significantly better. Except when I need to play an RPG, that's the only good feature of Star Wars compared to Halo.

[Cyrem]

No, whereas Lair's only argument is that he doesn't like shooters, I'm giving out arguments on why Halo bests Star Wars in a variety of fields.

Still have yet to see a good one.

Right, but the Death Star is a sphere, so your argument is invalid?

And where did I say I liked the shape of the death star? Invalid assumption, therefore your argument is invalid.

Fat gansters who get other people to do their dirty work. At least all the characters in Halo can last in a firefight and do some actual work.

Oh right I forgot! Everyone in the Halo universe is either soliders, master chief or alien invaders. No gangsters to be seen there.

I based it on my own research. I'd like to see something which could best a Sabre.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I read they only carry missiles and a cannon. Most SW ships would be able to take this out.

I could say the same about Jabba the Hutt.

He's a slug, why so racist?

[McJobless]

No, whereas Lair's only argument is that he doesn't like shooters, I'm giving out arguments on why Halo bests Star Wars in a variety of fields.

Still have yet to see a good one.

You're blind.

Right, but the Death Star is a sphere, so your argument is invalid?

And where did I say I liked the shape of the death star? Invalid assumption, therefore your argument is invalid.

Hey, you're in a fight of Star Wars vs Halo. You have to defend EVERYTHING. You can't just pick and choose...that's like me picking parts of the Brony show I like while saying I'm anti-brony.

Fat gansters who get other people to do their dirty work. At least all the characters in Halo can last in a firefight and do some actual work.

Oh right I forgot! Everyone in the Halo universe is either soliders, master chief or alien invaders. No gangsters to be seen there.

Both Lord Hood and even the Gravemind fill out that role very nicely. Also, I'm pretty sure the Insurrectionists/Rebels have gangs and mafiaso.

I based it on my own research. I'd like to see something which could best a Sabre.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I read they only carry missiles and a cannon. Most SW ships would be able to take this out.

No, you're right. And they'd still win.

I could say the same about Jabba the Hutt.

He's a slug, why so racist?

It's his fault. He shouldn't have been designed after the stuff you scrap off the bottom off the shoes.

EDIT: By Rebels above, I mean Halo's Rebel forces which were the primary threat before the Covenant appeared, which appeared in Halo Wars and were mentioned in Halo: Reach. Note how all the plot elements of Halo appear in the main media, and don't need secondary sources to be explained...

EDIT 2: OKAY, OKAY, EXCEPT FOR JOHNSON GETTING BACK FROM HALO...but to be fair, he was too badass to die anyways.

[Drill Master]

"Hey, Johnson. When are you gonna tell me how you made it back home in one piece?"

"Sorry, Guns. It's classified."

"Ha! My ass! Well you can just forget about the upgrades to your A2 unit!"

"Well he's in a particularly fine mood."

And that is how Johnson survived the destruction of Halo Installation 04.

[noghiri]

Interesting. The Sabre appears to be the eqivalent of the A-wing: Fast, light, and lightly armed.

It fires a 30mm mass driver, and missiles that I believe are equivalent to a Sidewinder loaded with a small nuclear charge.

The mass driver won't really penetrate Star Wars type shields, and while the Medusa missile may be effective against fighters, the blaster cannons and more powerful concussion missiles and proton torpedoes of the Star Wars fighters would take the Sabres apart.

Proton torpedoes are the equivalent of a modern nuke, in projectile form.

The Star Wars blasters are plasma too, so that's even between both franchises.

[Antillies]

Can I just say, everytime I see a ship from Star Wars, I puke in disgust. It looks like George Lucas got a kid from Year 2 who only understands basic shapes like triangles and rectangles to make some kind of weird, demented THING and then he goes and adds a couple bumps to it. Go look at all the ships from Star Wars that people on these forums make LEGO versions of in the MOC section, and tell me that they look "good". They look better as remote controls and hammers than they do as things that fly.

With exception to the Halcyon-Class Crusiers (aka Pillar of Autum), all of Halo's starcraft are sleek and amazing.

• A pole with a car stuck on the top
  
• A giant triangle with a T stuck on the top
  
• A box with two wings stuck on the sides
  

You're killing me Extreme. You have an ally in me that I too love the Halo universe but to switch the debate to one over starship aesthetics is pointless. NO S*** UNSC fighers/warships look more like aircraft - they take current designs and project them 500 years in the future. The Sabre is essentially a B2 bomber with fighter functionality added - and that's OK! I love its look. But to say that the designs of the Star Wars universe are disgusting because they don't follow current designs is absurd. Of course they look different. Lucas had to create an entire universe unlike our own. I think it's insulting that you so easily dismiss such imaginative designs and configurations because the craftsmanship and creativity put into making them was unprecedented. NO ONE had done that to such an extent before Star Wars. And so what if a troop transport is a box with wings (which is obviously an over-simplification)? What is a Pelican but not a box with four rectangular thrusters? Humans like geometric shapes.

And how dare you sir insult the shape of the Star Destroyer. Not only is it aesthetically pleasing, its design is simple and elegant. It doesn't have to be complex to be beautiful or effective. Now, that's more my opinion but what I think you will find true is that the Star Destroyer is probably the most iconic ship out of all of science fiction.

While I love the engineering and general look of UNSC ships as I think they are extremely appropriate for the formulation of human society in the future, you cannot look at this and tell me that those are "sleek." They are boxy and geometric. They are essentially skyscrapers turned on their side. And that's fine - I have no problem with that. I love the industrial feel. Certainly the Covenant ships have a more cultured look, with all the curves but I don't think they look particularly attractive. To me they look like strangely baked French begets. I appreciate them for what they are though. Truly, they are built for function more than form.

Also, the regular aircraft are WAY more powerful and spectacular than anything the Star Wars universe offers. That goes for all Halo factions, not just UNSC.

I find it laughable that you bring these points up after I addressed them and you failed to respond. The Sabre is a 26th Century B2 fighter-bomber. It uses kinetic energy weapons and is unshielded. It would not stand up to any Star Wars fighter in either space or atmospheric combat. The same goes for the Banshee. It's a light fighter without shielding. Perhaps a bit more of a challenge but an X-Wing or TIE Interceptor would make short work of it.

[noghiri]

Heck, a TIE-wing or a Headhunter could take out those, due to their lack of shields.

Both sides have their ugly ships (Yuuzang Vong ships and Home One come to mind). I think Star Wars has a few more of the nicer looking ones -- because starcraft are not limited to military, they also have luxury yachts.

Horizon-class Star Yacht

[Lair]

Can I just say, everytime I see a ship from Star Wars, I puke in disgust.

You should probably see a doctor about that.

It looks like George Lucas got a kid from Year 2 who only understands basic shapes like triangles and rectangles to make some kind of weird, demented THING and then he goes and adds a couple bumps to it.

I'm not sure what ships you're looking at.

Go look at all the ships from Star Wars that people on these forums make LEGO versions of in the MOC section, and tell me that they look "good".

Okay. They look "good."

Also, the regular aircraft are WAY more spectacular than anything the Star Wars universe offers.

*opinion

In my opinion, I believe Lair is being pretty bias in his argument against Halo, although he hasn't really presented one.

Kind of like you?

I guarantee you that if you look past gameplay for a second, the franchise is much more amazing than Star Wars.

Why would I look past the gameplay? I mean, it's a GAME. I have at least one game with wonky gameplay that I like for the story so I can't really say anything here.

No, whereas Lair's only argument is that he doesn't like shooters, I'm giving out arguments on why Halo bests Star Wars in a variety of fields.

Like how you don't like ships shaped like triangles?

I based it on my own research.

You based it on some research and a lot of your opinion.

We already solved this; it doesn't matter unless you're the kind of guy who only rocks on if their favourite products are in LEGO. If that's your best argument, then Halo has already won.

How? Halo is MEGABLOCKS, not Lego. That kind of means it loses.

You're blind.

Then how is he able to run this site and post?

Oh, you mean figuratively. Then no, he's still not.

[Drill Master]

So here is the question. What is the best Object in Star Wars? For Halo, it is Installation 00, The Ark. It can Remotely fire the 7 Halo rings (originally there were actually 12 rings to begin with until Mendicant Bias seized controll of 5 of them, in which the Forerunners then destroy) And it can also re-create the rings. Being a world of its own, The Ark is also located outside of the galaxy for protection and security. Anything in Star Wars that can top that?

[Antillies]

So here is the question. What is the best Object in Star Wars? For Halo, it is Installation 00, The Ark. It can Remotely fire the 7 Halo rings (originally there were actually 12 rings to begin with until Mendicant Bias seized controll of 5 of them, in which the Forerunners then destroy) And it can also re-create the rings. Being a world of its own, The Ark is also located outside of the galaxy for protection and security. Anything in Star Wars that can top that?

I've already addressed this. The Rings do not fit into any quantitative assessment of the two universes because neither the UNSC nor the Covenant would truly activate them. Destroying all life in the universe is a pretty zero-sum scenario to win a war, thus they cannot be entered as a military advantage.

[Drill Master]

Um, The Prophets were truly trying to activate the rings based on their beliefs of The Forerunners Great Journey. Halo 3 Master Chief told 343 Guilty Spark to activate the new Installation 04 which wipes out the covenant, left behind humans, and the flood at the Ark. Even though only I 04 was the only ring to really fire, it still was successful at its job to wipe out the sentient life within the rings effect. But that is only describing the games. The books go into detail about the rings which play a key role in the entire Halo story. Its not just the Human/ Covenant War, The Halo story starts 1,000,000 - 500,000 years ago, beginning with the Precursers and such.

[McJobless]

Antillies has so far been the only person providing any arguments that are making mine look silly. That said, I don't feel convinced. It's the ships that are being created for the newer fiction that are getting on my nerves. We can be so much more creative with our designs, and yet much of the pictures I see from Star Wars are just giant floating poles.

It looks like George Lucas got a kid from Year 2 who only understands basic shapes like triangles and rectangles to make some kind of weird, demented THING and then he goes and adds a couple bumps to it.

I'm not sure what ships you're looking at.

I posted three examples...

Go look at all the ships from Star Wars that people on these forums make LEGO versions of in the MOC section, and tell me that they look "good".

Okay. They look "good."

But, they don't.

Also, the regular aircraft are WAY more spectacular than anything the Star Wars universe offers.

*opinion

Despite I provide justification while you just make 10 word posts where you spout bollocks between arguments.

In my opinion, I believe Lair is being pretty bias in his argument against Halo, although he hasn't really presented one.

Kind of like you?

The difference is I have presented arguments.

We already solved this; it doesn't matter unless you're the kind of guy who only rocks on if their favourite products are in LEGO. If that's your best argument, then Halo has already won.

How? Halo is MEGABLOCKS, not Lego. That kind of means it loses.

That's like saying that Communists lost the VIetnam war because their armour wasn't very good compared to the Americans/Australians.

You're blind.

Then how is he able to run this site and post?

Oh, you mean figuratively. Then no, he's still not.

Either way, he keeps missing my good points.

inb4 someone makes the ALWAYS hilarious (sarcasm intended) joke about how none of my points are good

EDIT: For all the people who don't know their history, the Communists won the Vietnam war.

[Cyrem]

That said, I don't feel convinced

That said, I can't be bothered. There is no point in trying to convince die-hard fans of anything.

<inserts stuff about how all your points are bad>

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO EMPIRE.

[noghiri]

So here is the question. What is the best Object in Star Wars? For Halo, it is Installation 00, The Ark. It can Remotely fire the 7 Halo rings (originally there were actually 12 rings to begin with until Mendicant Bias seized controll of 5 of them, in which the Forerunners then destroy) And it can also re-create the rings. Being a world of its own, The Ark is also located outside of the galaxy for protection and security. Anything in Star Wars that can top that?

I've already addressed this. The Rings do not fit into any quantitative assessment of the two universes because neither the UNSC nor the Covenant would truly activate them. Destroying all life in the universe is a pretty zero-sum scenario to win a war, thus they cannot be entered as a military advantage.

I'd say the Maw tops that. It's an installation consisting of one secret Imperial base, one ancient space station, many black holes, and a planet containing a creature that can steal the very life-force of any being she wants.

[Drill Master]

So here is the question. What is the best Object in Star Wars? For Halo, it is Installation 00, The Ark. It can Remotely fire the 7 Halo rings (originally there were actually 12 rings to begin with until Mendicant Bias seized controll of 5 of them, in which the Forerunners then destroy) And it can also re-create the rings. Being a world of its own, The Ark is also located outside of the galaxy for protection and security. Anything in Star Wars that can top that?

I've already addressed this. The Rings do not fit into any quantitative assessment of the two universes because neither the UNSC nor the Covenant would truly activate them. Destroying all life in the universe is a pretty zero-sum scenario to win a war, thus they cannot be entered as a military advantage.

I'd say the Maw tops that. It's an installation consisting of one secret Imperial base, one ancient space station, many black holes, and a planet containing a creature that can steal the very life-force of any being she wants.

And what be that creature?

[Antillies]

Um, The Prophets were truly trying to activate the rings based on their beliefs of The Forerunners Great Journey.

Ah, I thought you might say that The Prophets were much more shrewd than you give them credit for. Yes, outwardly they supported the "Great Cleansing" but personally none would have seen it through. They were intelligent yet cowardly and selfish but above all they understood that what they led was a loose confederation of alien species not without interior conflict (ie, Brutes and Elites). What a good way to unite all races under one banner than a holy war against human infidels with the end goal being the supreme religious and spiritual transcendence. While some of this is within the games, most of it is detailed in the books, which I would recommend you read because they are excellent.

EDIT: For all the people who don't know their history, the Communists won the Vietnam war.

Nationalists*

[noghiri]

So here is the question. What is the best Object in Star Wars? For Halo, it is Installation 00, The Ark. It can Remotely fire the 7 Halo rings (originally there were actually 12 rings to begin with until Mendicant Bias seized controll of 5 of them, in which the Forerunners then destroy) And it can also re-create the rings. Being a world of its own, The Ark is also located outside of the galaxy for protection and security. Anything in Star Wars that can top that?

I've already addressed this. The Rings do not fit into any quantitative assessment of the two universes because neither the UNSC nor the Covenant would truly activate them. Destroying all life in the universe is a pretty zero-sum scenario to win a war, thus they cannot be entered as a military advantage.

I'd say the Maw tops that. It's an installation consisting of one secret Imperial base, one ancient space station, many black holes, and a planet containing a creature that can steal the very life-force of any being she wants.

And what be that creature?

Abeloth ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Abeloth )

[Lair]

I'm not sure what ships you're looking at.

I posted three examples...

The first two don't look anything like "shapes with bumps." The third one looks like an incredibly obese imperial shuttle.

Go look at all the ships from Star Wars that people on these forums make LEGO versions of in the MOC section, and tell me that they look "good".

Okay. They look "good."

But, they don't.

But, they do.

You seem to have forgotten, saying something does or doesn't look good is not a fact.

Despite I provide justification while you just make 10 word posts where you spout bollocks between arguments.

Despite you not providing justification while I make 10 word posts where I try to inform you that opinion =/= fact. Some of what you mention is true, yes, but other parts of it are opinion being passed off as truth.

The difference is I have presented arguments.

But a lot of them were trying to support an opinion, not hold a fact.

We already solved this; it doesn't matter unless you're the kind of guy who only rocks on if their favourite products are in LEGO. If that's your best argument, then Halo has already won.

How? Halo is MEGABLOCKS, not Lego. That kind of means it loses.

That's like saying that Communists lost the VIetnam war because their armour wasn't very good compared to the Americans/Australians.

No, that's like what you said. In case you didn't know, Vietnam didn't lose. So I guess Vietnam is LEGO here? Because as I said before, Halo was infected by megablocks.

[Drill Master]

Um, The Prophets were truly trying to activate the rings based on their beliefs of The Forerunners Great Journey.

Ah, I thought you might say that The Prophets were much more shrewd than you give them credit for. Yes, outwardly they supported the "Great Cleansing" but personally none would have seen it through. They were intelligent yet cowardly and selfish but above all they understood that what they led was a loose confederation of alien species not without interior conflict (ie, Brutes and Elites). What a good way to unite all races under one banner than a holy war against human infidels with the end goal being the supreme religious and spiritual transcendence. While some of this is within the games, most of it is detailed in the books, which I would recommend you read because they are excellent.

EDIT: For all the people who don't know their history, the Communists won the Vietnam war.

Nationalists*

I have read the books and I find them awe-inspiring. The reason the prophets hate the humans is because The Precursers chose the Humans to lead on in their footsteps, not the prophets. This angered them and broke the once strong allience between the Humans and the Prophets.

[Zephyria]

In response to extreme saying HALO has better ships.

The Rogue Shadow.

Also, we should totally add Mass Effect. I mean we are comparing anything even remotely Sci-fi, right?