What Keeps The World Going

[Addictgamer]

What has started and keeps the world going?

Let's start from the beginning.

There are two basic things that humans need to 'aquire' to survive.

They are food and water.

The first people farmed so that they may get food to eat, and they just walked down to the brook to get water to drink.

Later, some people couldn't farm, so they made stuff and traded it for the farmer's food. That way, the farmers got stuff they wanted and the person who made the thing got food.

Soon, this evolved into 'jobs'. Farmers grew food and 'sold' it for 'money'. They used money to 'buy' water and 'buy' stuff they wanted.

The people who made stuff 'sold' them to get 'money' so that they can 'buy' food and water.

This leads to an infinite cycle of how the world moves forward.

All the stuff is made so that it can be 'sold' by the makers only so that they may have 'possession' of the two basic things required for human survival.

The farmers sell all their extra food so that they can get stuff they want.

People make stuff and sell them to buy food, and buy other stuff they want made by other people with the left over money.

See how this all works?

Food and water are what drive humans to do.

These two things create food, money, stuff, technology, and push the world forward.

All because people need food and water.

Not much of a point to all this, but just some interesting thing I want to put up for serious discussion.

[Anonymouse]

Interesting... But there's a loophole. We don't just need food and water. We need food, water, shelter, warmth, medicine/other remedies, toothpaste ( OK, I'm calling the things that stone-age people chewed to keep their teeth clean "Stone-age toothpaste") and plenty more.

So it's not quite that simple, but yes, your idea still pretty much applies.

[TheEPICtrainrider]

  On 12/11/2009 at 10:38 AM, Anonymouse said:

Interesting... But there's a loophole. We don't just need food and water. We need food, water, shelter, warmth, medicine/other remedies, toothpaste ( OK, I'm calling the things that stone-age people chewed to keep their teeth clean "Stone-age toothpaste") and plenty more.

So it's not quite that simple, but yes, your idea still pretty much applies.

Yes, but I think he was trying to get a basic cycle. And medicine and tooth paste also count as the 'stuff' I think.

[Anonymouse]

  On 12/11/2009 at 11:02 AM, TheEPICtrainrider said:

Yes, but I think he was trying to get a basic cycle. And medicine and tooth paste also count as the 'stuff' I think.

Well... The toothpaste bit was a bit of a joke really.

About the medicine, there are often cases where you would die if it weren't for medicine. I don't see why medicine would be some of the "other stuff".

[Addictgamer]

Yes, those all count as stuff, and you don't necessarily have to buy shelter.

You only need to buy it these days in most countries. And then again only if you want to live comfortably.

Warmth depends on where you live.

Medicine and such isn't a basic necessity. It's only for those unlucky few. It isn't needed for survival, just needed for living longer than 40 years (which was somewhere around the average age back in the medieval ages)

Remember, people make medicine so they can sell it to buy food and water.

So it does classify as stuff.

[Anonymouse]

  On 12/11/2009 at 4:49 PM, addictgamer said:

Yes, those all count as stuff, and you don't necessarily have to buy shelter.

You only need to buy it these days in most countries. And then again only if you want to live comfortably.

Warmth depends on where you live.

Medicine and such isn't a basic necessity. It's only for those unlucky few. It isn't needed for survival, just needed for living longer than 40 years (which was somewhere around the average age back in the medieval ages)

Remember, people make medicine so they can sell it to buy food and water.

So it does classify as stuff.

Two more comments coming from me:

1. People never bought water until recently, 200 years ago they still used wells for free

2. Some people sell food for other food. Incorporate that too.

And why didn't you approve your own post? xD

[Addictgamer]

1. Yes, until recently. But still, they fought for water in some cases. So they paid with their life...

2. They sell it for money. Then they buy other food if they WANT VARIETY. It's not a necessity, and many places don't allow for it. Example: Africa.

I forgot to.

[Shadow322]

You do know that the first people on Earth were hunters and gatherers, then they started to farm, and then comes the different ages ot time the stone age, copper age, and the others.

Water is the key thing we need to live, we can go longer without food then we can with water.

We also need the sun, if the sun went out, we would all die.

So really the things we need to depend on are water and the sun.

Oh and you can't really learn anything from the buying food and water things you were talking about, because there are different parts of the world, 7 almost tottaly different continents, and to many contreys to count, and histery plays a big part to.

[Addictgamer]

Hmm...Your post is a bit confusing to me. Care to elaborate?

[TheDoctor]

The assuption that there is a purpose for life.

"Life is merely a protein-based mechanism for consuming energy."

[Shadow322]

If we didn't have the sun we would freeze to death.

If you were on a deserted island, you would need to find water first, you won't need food at first.

The history and place is a big reason.

I hope that helps.

[Cirevam]

Shadow's talking about how human culture first started as a foraging society, an egalitarian one where there is no trade, no surplus. Only around 12,000 ya did we start practicing horticulture, which is the act of domesticating plants with human labor and very simple tools or no tools at all. This allowed some surplus, and thus some trade, but not much. Pastoralism developed a little later and is the act of domesticating animals for labor, milk, safety, and rarely meat. An animal is worth more when it's alive, even today. Agriculture, the act of domesticating plants with animal labor or technology, is relatively recent, and today most major countries rely on intensive agriculture.

There are a few foraging societies remaining today, which shows that, like Shadow said, you only really need the sun, water, and food. Yes, you can go longer without food, but you'll eventually become so weak that you'll be unable to find that food, or maybe run away from danger.

[Shadow322]

  On 12/12/2009 at 1:24 AM, Cirevam said:

Shadow's talking about how human culture first started as a foraging society, an egalitarian one where there is no trade, no surplus. Only around 12,000 ya did we start practicing horticulture, which is the act of domesticating plants with human labor and very simple tools or no tools at all. This allowed some surplus, and thus some trade, but not much. Pastoralism developed a little later and is the act of domesticating animals for labor, milk, safety, and rarely meat. An animal is worth more when it's alive, even today. Agriculture, the act of domesticating plants with animal labor or technology, is relatively recent, and today most major countries rely on intensive agriculture.

There are a few foraging societies remaining today, which shows that, like Shadow said, you only really need the sun, water, and food. Yes, you can go longer without food, but you'll eventually become so weak that you'll be unable to find that food, or maybe run away from danger.

Thank you yery much Cire, its good to know that there are some members that can understand the confuseing things I write.