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Wot I Fink: Modesty and Maturity


McJobless

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NOTE: For this episode, when I say "Modesty", I mean it in a professional, clean sense. People being modest, for example, "I'm terrible at singing" when they actually are really talented, is totally acceptable to me, and supposedly I am very modest in that sense of the word in real life.

I wanted to start off talking about women in gaming, but Tracker pulled this to my attention.

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I am completely with TheDoctor. I am absolutely shocked that somebody is offended by so much as a television programme. That really scares me.

Let me ask you a question; how does the television effect your life? How? Does it wash your car? Brush your teeth? Drive you to school? Does it pay you? No.

This society is a society of fear and shame. If someone mentions so much as a sexual term, you can bet someone will wriggle around and attempt to shut up the "heretic" for speaking his/her mind. It's pathetic. The people who will read this are in a FIRST world country. You are born into a world of freedom. Why do you fear the dreaded s-word? Will you be shot if you say it? It's not just words, either, but whole jokes, the content of artistic expressions and more that constantly comes under fire because people feel "uncomfortable" with these kinds of things presented to them.

People, we are a maturing society. Curse words and sexualisation is creeping more into our society as we continue onwards. Is this so much of a problem? No. Modesty might be an acceptable practice when you want to show some professionalism. But art is not professional. True art is the idea of expression and teaching. Art should do whatever it wants to do to bring us a new experience. This documentary, "How sex changed the world", is a piece of art in its own way. People who cringe on the subject matter are doing exactly what the show creators wanted. They're tapping into your fear of the word "sex" being a public idea, and trying to show you that sex is a natural thing that people should not fear.

Now, you might say, "what about the children"? What about them? When did a child ever go to the History Channel? And, why is it such a big deal if they learn the word "sex"? This is where parenting comes into play, so they learn the connotations of the word and learn its proper usage. They don't need to learn the process. Children are, more or less, like goldfish. They won't care 10 minutes after learning about something.

What I hate about current society is this shying away from the fact that these things exist, and they are a core part of our society? To be modest is not to complain everytime someone swears. To be modest is to have an appreciation that you, as an individual, are not as important as the whole, and that your talents are second to others. That is true modesty. This idea that modesty and maturity are one and the same annoys me. But, wait! Maturity does not imply that you can't say these words or express yourself. Maturity simply implies that you act in a manner equivalent to your experience.

I realise now my arguments are probably a complete mess, for which I'm sorry. However, the point remains. I don't see a problem with this show, it's name, or any shows like it. I think we, as a society, should move more to bring this issues further into the light, accept that they are a natural part of life, and not blow up everytime someone swears, wears something a little skimpy or makes a TV show about sex.

And that's Wot I Fink.

One last thing, those shows like the Kardashians...those aren't mature. Have you ever watched an episode? They are children. Those shows are produced to exploit the "Trainwreck Effect" in all of us. I want to talk more about money and maturity, but I'll save that for when I'm not so scrambled in the brain.

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Do you even know what we're talking about, Alcom? This is not about sexism, this is about the use of the word "sex".

I thought McJobless expanded the argument to content that could be deemed 'sexist'.

As far as I can tell, he did not.

I tried to avoid sexist works as much as possible. It's part of an argument I should hopefully be uploading soon, but ultimately I don't like talking about the topic.
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What McJobless said...

 

This is nothing new. If you think that society is decaying, it's because you didn't see these things as a child. The apparent worsening of society as you age is really because you see and hear more bad things as you grow up. It's not that society has decayed, it's that little by little, the barriers between you and reality erode.

 

It's not a new thing that people are attracted to the human body - it's been that way ever since something that could be called "human" by today's standards has existed. For example: I used to think that today's music was incredibly sexual - then I looked at the 70s, and bam - Whole Lotta Love, Slow Ride, etc... - and you can go even further back. And that's just music.

 

As you grow up, you see this more often as you're more exposed to the world.

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Words.

I've reached my like quota for today, so I'll have to say THIS I LIKE.
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Trust me, you wouldn't need to be a furry to be "turned on" by some work if people are doing what I think they are doing. Human is human, it does not matter if that human is zoomorphic or not.

You have no right to claim that with providing some evidence first. I don't get turned on everytime I see a picture of a wolf and a human fused together in a sexual manner, and I'm extremely sure that most humans who are not Furries are the same, if not all of them.

Find a yellow female zoomorph, crop off the head, tail, and limbs and then tell me if you can tell if it is a furry or just a really hairy woman.

What I meant by slipping is that we as a society are putting sex where it probably should not be put. It is every where, even in schools. I had classmates in Drafting 1 drawing certain feminine assets in AutoCAD in high school. These same classmates also responded "What is circumcision?" or something similar ever time when the instructor said the word circumscribed. And I saw worse in the halls. And this was a "country" school, a place that such things are quite unexpected. Now do you think we may have a slight problem?

Absolutely not.

That's immature teens being immature teens. This happens EVERYWHERE. It's expected for at least a few people in school to make sexual jokes. Just because you're not acquainted with it, doesn't mean that every country town is the exact same.

If you don't think sexual jokes are funny, then don't make them, and don't laugh. But I'm telling you, this is a normal thing to happen, and sooner or later you will need accept this.

Well, this group actually disrupted class enough with them to keep us from getting anything done. And if you look at one of the Defcon panel videos, Pwnd by Owner, you will find that in one MIT student evidence that that immaturity does not go away completely.
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Holy crap this is quite the discussion going on here.

I'm not even going to attempt to siphon through all these comments, I'll just say that I for the most part agree with your thesis, McJobless.

I really don't want to get into a debate right now.

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And still you go on the same line...

Immature children will disrupt class anywhere - it doesn't matter how they do it, or what they say. Immaturity has existed for a long time, it's nothing new. They're disruption of class is no different from any other except that they used something sexual. The problem there is the personalities of the individuals and how they acted, not the fact that it was sexual.

 

And what does the last thing have to do with this? Social maturity is as much about perception as anything. At about 25, your brain has matured, so technically you don't still possess immaturity - but you may still be perceived as immature.

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One thing to keep in mind is that I grew up in a house where discussion about sex is generally discouraged.

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One thing to keep in mind is that I grew up in a house where discussion about sex is generally discouraged.

I thought as much. It doesn't change reality, however.

 

Oh, and tracker, I can assure you that I am attracted to women but not hairy women/furry women.

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Find a yellow female zoomorph, crop off the head, tail, and limbs and then tell me if you can tell if it is a furry or just a really hairy woman.

... What the hell are you even... How did this conversation... Wha... oh dear wad
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Find a yellow female zoomorph, crop off the head, tail, and limbs and then tell me if you can tell if it is a furry or just a really hairy woman.

I don't think you even know what furries are.

I don't think you even know what the topic is.

I don't think you even know the words you are speaking.

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I don't really watch T.V. (At least American T.V. ) Because the shows aren't really that interesting...and commercials are over running. I really don't get whats insulting either I just think it's a dumb show...Also when did we get to furries in this disscution...or some form of mutation...

Also McJobless dose bring up a lot of really good points in that...

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