Sopa Has Lost.

[Phoenyx]

I don't like to pull this argument out, but, I'm in a different country. It would be too much of a hassle for them to take me down for saying one line when they have MUCH bigger problems right now.

I didn't meany you as in you, I meant you as in Anonymous. You did say you were a member of Anonymous in the Chat room a week or two ago, right?

Alright, you have me there. But I still hold my stance that at this very moment in time, the best thing to do is to recourse the action. This should make waves in the Senate and Congress, and hopefully get them to back off and reconsider their actions.

Yes, it will cause waves through congress, but at what cost, and is congress the ones at fault here? As I said before, I don't think the US government ordered the FBI's blatantly illegal attack on Megaupload.

And I can be pretty extremist as well, as I think we've just demonstrated

We all get pretty raged up when it comes to our opinion on how something should be done, but that's life. Whatever happens from now on will change everything, and that's the only thing we can guarrentee.

Indeed.

[McJobless]

I didn't meany you as in you, I meant you as in Anonymous. You did say you were a member of Anonymous in the Chat room a week or two ago, right?

I wish

Nah, I'm part of a smaller hacker collective which does only pranks. I don't do the serious stuff...yet...

Yes, it will cause waves through congress, but at what cost, and is congress the ones at fault here? As I said before, I don't think the US government ordered the FBI's blatantly illegal attack on Megaupload.

Alright, now I'm seeing it. You might be right about the FBI...whoever ordered it had their balls out on the line, and I think they're currently regretting it.

Indeed.

Quite.

[Redacted]

this is just the tiny start of the big cyberwar that i already saw coming.

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and i spoke to someone from anonymous.

[Phoenyx]

Good news everyone. The bills were scrapped thanks to the Google petition! WE WON!!!

[Sonic322]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkabDQ8MRpc

That intro kicks all kinds of ass and the video is great too.

Anonymous has made an official statement in words: Pastebin

I didn't know they shut down so many sites.

I'm considering heading to DC in a few days to try and talk to President Obama about this. I don't think I will be able to, but if I don't try I won't anyway so there's nothing to lose.

Well if you do manage to talk to him then tell him to grow some balls and that the only way to fix the problems with the Internet is to assume his power as one of the most powerful men in the world and work WITH Anonymous to get the job done.

I wish I could agree with you, but this is the last straw. Megaupload did nothing wrong. This is an abuse of power, and the fact that they still have SOPA/PIPA is only making it worse.

From what I've heard, Obama is apparently just a "puppet". Right now, we need action, not debate. This should send a message straight to the fools in congress, to the FBI and to anybody in power that you should never f*** with the internet.

We finally have something in common my friend.

You probably just angered the beast. Keep in mind that the FBI doesn't need the software internet we use to stay in contact with agents - they'll just be PO'd at you for doing something illegal in their face.

I don't normally condone military strikes on our own soil either, so you can see how extreme in methodology I can get when the ends require the means.

They won't resort to military strikes on U.S. soil. But there will be an American, Revolution if it keeps up. We will take out these people in the government who think they know what's best and bring in some real Americans.

I don't like to pull this argument out, but, I'm in a different country. It would be too much of a hassle for them to take me down for saying one line when they have MUCH bigger problems right now.

Alright, you have me there. But I still hold my stance that at this very moment in time, the best thing to do is to recourse the action. This should make waves in the Senate and Congress, and hopefully get them to back off and reconsider their actions.

And I can be pretty extremist as well, as I think we've just demonstrated

We all get pretty raged up when it comes to our opinion on how something should be done, but that's life. Whatever happens from now on will change everything, and that's the only thing we can guarantee.

You really think they will think before they do something? There will be so much yelling in congress that you would think they are making up for all the time they just sat on their asses and did nothing.

And be careful Extreme. They might "take you down" like they did Megaupload.

I wish

Nah, I'm part of a smaller hacker collective which does only pranks. I don't do the serious stuff...yet...

Alright, now I'm seeing it. You might be right about the FBI...whoever ordered it had their balls out on the line, and I think they're currently regretting it.

I think there is a way to join Anonymous but I can't find it. You have to send them an email giving them consent to use your computers resources or something like that. I would if my computer was better but it's slow enough as it is.

This is just the tiny start of the big cyberwar that i already saw coming.

And i spoke to someone from anonymous.

I think a lot of people saw this coming and what do you mean you spoke to someone from anonymous?

Good news everyone. The bills were scrapped thanks to the Google petition! WE WON!!!

They are actually postponed. They are not dead yet but they are almost in the grave.

[Phoenyx]

They are actually postponed. They are not dead yet but they are almost in the grave.

That's not what I heard. I got my info from a good friend who also happens to be a Sergeant of the Rutherford County Sheriff's Department.

Besides, isn't that what they said last time? Either you haven't gotten the latest news, or one of us has an unreliable source (and I don't think it's me - a police department would normally be kept informed about these things).

[Sonic322]

They are actually postponed. They are not dead yet but they are almost in the grave.

That's not what I heard. I got my info from a good friend who also happens to be a Sergeant of the Rutherford County Sheriff's Department.

Besides, isn't that what they said last time? Either you haven't gotten the latest news, or one of us has an unreliable source (and I don't think it's me - a police department would normally be kept informed about these things).

It's you.

January 24 vote in Senate of related Protect IP Act is postponed

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid planned to bring the Senate's version of the legislation (the Protect IP Act (PIPA)) to a vote on January 24. Reid had earlier rejected a request by six Senators for a postponement, saying "this is an issue that is too important to delay." However, in the wake of online protests held on January 18, 2012, Sen. Reid announced, on January 20, that the vote scheduled for January 24 would be postponed.

Sorry.

[Cyrem]

Here we go again... another worse bill in the works. 24/7 monitoring: http://www.slashgear.com/sopa-sponsor-has-another-internet-bill-that-records-you-247-20210264/

[fun]

Here we go again... another worse bill in the works. 24/7 monitoring: http://www.slashgear...u-247-20210264/

Wow that is scarey we must defeat that bill or face consequences Way wore then sopa and pipa combined i am about to confront the congress for this and protest

[Cyrem]

http://twitpic.com/88ueqz#.Txdtm2dMitM.facebook

Don't create bills you can't follow yourself.

[McJobless]

You really think they will think before they do something? There will be so much yelling in congress that you would think they are making up for all the time they just sat on their asses and did nothing.

And be careful Extreme. They might "take you down" like they did Megaupload.

I do believe that Congress would think about their actions. Not well, but you'd think they would be smart enough to form some kind of plan...

And again, I'm not terribly scared. If they were to "take me down", there would be very costly legal action which they simply can't afford. They have bigger problems with the Anonymous hacks.

I think there is a way to join Anonymous but I can't find it. You have to send them an email giving them consent to use your computers resources or something like that. I would if my computer was better but it's slow enough as it is.

It's easy to find the place where you join up. From what I understand, you also have to prove you can be a valuable asset to the collective, so you have to hack something for them. They might be a massive collective, but they are picky.

Here we go again... another worse bill in the works. 24/7 monitoring: http://www.slashgear...u-247-20210264/

I'm 24/7 monitoring that bill. I doubt it'll pass, much like SOPA/PIPA.

[Lair]

Here we go again... another worse bill in the works. 24/7 monitoring: http://www.slashgear...u-247-20210264/

oh what the f***, this stupid government is willing to try anything to control people as much as possible isn't it

[RockmoddeR]

Screw them, I have proxies and lists of proper I.P. addresses.

[Phoenyx]

Oh god... Another one? Whoever wants these bills pushed through congress is desperate to turn the internet into his own private propaganda distribution system.

And just when we won a major battle too...

Reading through what it allows, I'm sure that Google will support it, robbing us of a Deus Ex Machina to use againt the bill. I may be supprised, though.

@Sonic322 I'm sticking to my sources. Wikipeida is community driven and can contain inaccuracies. Also, the bills could actually be officially postponed, but in reality that delay could be permanent.

There's no support for it anyway. SOPA and PIPA are dead and that's what matters.

@Extreme110 I don't think the government would be keen to work with hackers on this - it's not a cyber war unless Anonymous started it. I don't condone the FBI's actions (I condemn them), but I still don't think the wanton destruction of websites is the best course of action in retribution. It would be better if more people started sharing files simply to spite the FBI, to show them that we won't back down in the face of a rogue element of the US government.

Now that the blackout's over, I'll add a link to my FTP server in my signature.

[Cyrem]

Screw them, I have proxies and lists of proper I.P. addresses.

There is no point in having infinite IP's if the sites you want are gone.

[karsten]

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey sopa and pipa are of the table :D:D:D

[Cyrem]

Sonic, Anonymous has explained that you cannot just join Anonymous. Anonymous isn't a group. Anonymous is an idea. If you support change and action on it, you are part of Anonymous. That is all that it requires... but what you do for that change is what leads you into the deep.

Apparently some Justin beiber site and Selena gomez site got hacked ... #Dreamcometrue.

Also all these sites got taken down: http://pastebin.com/cujqqtcn

[Redacted]

sopa was just a bitter start of the biggest cyber war ever.

[Phoenyx]

sopa was just a bitter start of the biggest cyber war ever.

Unconstitutional bills concerning the internet aren't my definition of Cyber Warfare. That's more of a legislative battle. This battle doesn't concern just the internet anymore - it concerns the constitution and our rights given to us by both it and our very existence as human beings.

This isn't the start of a cyber war, it's the ultimate battle for the future of the free world! This is the supposed Armageddon of Revelations, fought not with guns and swords, but with the voices of the people!

I don't give into the dogmatic letter of any holy book, but I've always noticed symbolic trends across all religions. no matter if the exact details differ, they always share themes - themes that we've somehow proven even among the scientific community, as though such religions were founded more to explain things in an easy to digest way rather than to indoctrinate and lead people. Still, this isn't a theological discussion, so enough on that.

This is a major turning point. Will freedom ring, or will the bells of liberty be silenced forever? I believe that as long as there are people who are willing to share ideas, there will always be freedom and those willing to fight for it. To just reference Revelations, it symbolically mentions that such an edict that requires registration to buy and sell would come. I personally think John didn't think the will of the people would factor in.

Anyway, I have hope for the future, despite every hurdle we've run into.

[Sonic322]

Unconstitutional bills concerning the internet aren't my definition of Cyber Warfare. That's more of a legislative battle. This battle doesn't concern just the internet anymore - it concerns the constitution and our rights given to us by both it and our very existence as human beings.

This isn't the start of a cyber war, it's the ultimate battle for the future of the free world! This is the supposed Armageddon of Revelations, fought not with guns and swords, but with the voices of the people!

I don't give into the dogmatic letter of any holy book, but I've always noticed symbolic trends across all religions. no matter if the exact details differ, they always share themes - themes that we've somehow proven even among the scientific community, as though such religions were founded more to explain things in an easy to digest way rather than to indoctrinate and lead people. Still, this isn't a theological discussion, so enough on that.

This is a major turning point. Will freedom ring, or will the bells of liberty be silenced forever? I believe that as long as there are people who are willing to share ideas, there will always be freedom and those willing to fight for it. To just reference Revelations, it symbolically mentions that such an edict that requires registration to buy and sell would come. I personally think John didn't think the will of the people would factor in.

Anyway, I have hope for the future, despite every hurdle we've run into.

I actually just came to a revelation.

All these bills that if passed would basically bring the planet back to the dark ages where everyone is ruled over with an Iron fist (although at that time it was the church that was ruling.), the fact that the proposed end of the world is 2012 (or as Wikipedia puts it, "cataclysmic or transformative events will occur on December 21, 2012"), and knowing that the bible says that the Anti-Christ will come at the end of days (Or something along those line. I don't pay attention to the Bible very much.).

I think Lamar Smith is the Anti-Christ. I mean it makes so much sense. He is a politician like the Bible says the Anti-Christ will be and he is trying to "protect" people where the bible says the Anti-Christ will propose peace to the world.

I mean I don't have much more to say about it but I think he really is the bringer of the end.

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Although perhaps I am just being caught up in the moment.

[Phoenyx]

I actually just came to a revelation.

All these bills that if passed would basically bring the planet back to the dark ages where everyone is ruled over with an Iron fist (although at that time it was the church that was ruling.), the fact that the proposed end of the world is 2012 (or as Wikipedia puts it, "cataclysmic or transformative events will occur on December 21, 2012"), and knowing that the bible says that the Anti-Christ will come at the end of days (Or something along those line. I don't pay attention to the Bible very much.).

I think Lamar Smith is the Anti-Christ. I mean it makes so much sense. He is a politician like the Bible says the Anti-Christ will be and he is trying to "protect" people where the bible says the Anti-Christ will propose peace to the world.

I mean I don't have much more to say about it but I think he really is the bringer of the end.

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Although perhaps I am just being caught up in the moment.

I don't think it's the end, though. I did have a theory that something big was going to happen, but not an apocalypse.

Also, revelations doesn't really describe an end, but rather a transition to a new beginning. I believe the symbolism behind "New Jerusalem" is a metaphor a long period of prosperity after the just as symbolic "Battle of Armageddon", which is what I believe is happening right now, in the very Capital building of the US government and throughout the internet.

As for Lamar Smith, he does fit the bill much more than any other popular suspect.

[Sonic322]

I don't think it's the end, though. I did have a theory that something big was going to happen, but not an apocalypse.

Also, revelations doesn't really describe an end, but rather a transition to a new beginning. I believe the symbolism behind "New Jerusalem" is a metaphor a long period of prosperity after the just as symbolic "Battle of Armageddon", which is what I believe is happening right now, in the very Capital building of the US government and throughout the internet.

As for Lamar Smith, he does fit the bill much more than any other popular suspect.

Well we will just have to wait and see if any of his bills get pushed back to the 21st of December to prove it.

[Phoenyx]

Well we will just have to wait and see if any of his bills get pushed back to the 21st of December to prove it.

Enough with the Mayans. That's one doomsday story that gets me more annoyed than anything else, mainly because it's based on a logical fallacy concerning calenders.

Still, only time will tell what's actually happening.

[Cyrem]

.... I don't see how religion got involved with this, but, laws taking away freedom of speech is hardly an Armageddon. This is just guys with money wanting to make more money at the cost of freedom. As has been stated, the industries that keep claiming they are being hurt... are not actually being hurt. The profits have been growing every year. The only thing they a whinging over is the potential profit they could have made for the year. The potential money they could have lined their wallets with. And these corps are paying people to support these bills(they've payed more money for this then any digital bill that has been passed in the past.), which I thing that should be illegal.... it's basically bribery.

And you know what? If they bill had been passed... they would have hurt themselves. They would be scrapping all the free promotion they get from the people.

[Phoenyx]

And you know what? If they bill had been passed... they would have hurt themselves. They would be scrapping all the free promotion they get from the people.

Which is why it's probably not about money.

I've had experience dealing with these kinds of people - they're not stupid and wouldn't shoot themselves in the foot. They probably know they'll lose the free publicity.

I think it's more about power and control. It's not so much who's losing freedom that they care about as it is who's getting the power and control that's taking freedom away. SOPA, PIPA and the new bill, if they were to pass, would effectively put the mainstream media at the wheel.

As for religion getting involved, I just find it interesting how things seem to correlate, and I tend to try and figure out if it's just coincidence or if somehow someone was able to predict events that wouldn't even make sense to them and tried to attribute some sort of meaning to it through some sort of scripture or holy writings.

On the whole Armageddon thing, it isn't an end. Neither was the biblical description of Armageddon, or the Norse's prediction of Ragnarok (though the latter could be easily construed as such). Armageddon is supposed to be a significant battle, not necessarily a devastating or even a violent one but a turning point born through a conflict of some sort.